Posters that are not nurses - page 6

i'm going to keep this nice and polite i promise mods!:) i'm just hoping that one of the smart student/new nurse posters can answer this. i know that we have quite a few people on here that... Read More

  1. by   Nurse2BStacey
    As a first semester nursing student, I can honestly say that I don't have time to worry about what everybody else is doing or saying. It takes 100% of my time and brain cells to survive this roller coaster ride that I have embarked upon. When in clinicals, I spend ALL my time concentrating on what I am doing and making sure it is as accurate as can be by the textbook (as that is what I am being graded on). If I am observing and someone does it differently that we learned from instructor - I make a note of it and move right along!!! I would never call anyone to the carpet, especially since I have NO IDEA what is right or wrong at this point. And why would any student accuse a seasoned RN of doing a procedure incorrectly??? They are there to help and mentor...I sure don't want to PI$$ them off

    And my two cents on the vent threads.....my thoughts are that only a young person who has never had a serious job would ever chastise anyone for venting about work. I have worked HR for 20 yrs before deciding to become a nurse, and I can't tell you the number of times I have gone out to my car and screamed as a way to relieve stress!!! So until you have actually been there----keep your opinions to yourself!!!! We all have to have a way to release the pressure or we will blow. I think this is a great forum to do just that.

    I would bet those same students that are so worried about you guys venting, are the same ones in the student forum gripping about thier instructors!!!!:spin:
    Last edit by Nurse2BStacey on Jan 29, '07 : Reason: correct typo
  2. by   EmerNurse
    I'm more than happy to read input from folks of all walks of life. Quite a bit of non-nursing life can be applicable to nursing as well. I read a book called "Throwing the Elephant", mentioned on another thread, and did find some of the management stuff fit, even though it wasn't directed at nursing.

    That said, when I'm on a venting thread, either commiserating with a fellow nurses' angst or posting my own, my blood boils when I read the "You're all so heartless, if you HATE NURSING SO MUCH, GET OUT of it, I hope you're never MY nurse, I would NEVER be so MEAN, YOU SHOULD BE A PATIENT, YOU'VE NEVER BEEN IN PAIN, HAVE YOU, YOU ARE SO COLD, etc" ad nauseum comments. There truly are times when I've just worked a shift in the 7th circle of h*ll and really need to vent. Knowing that there are hundreds of nurses here who will commiserate, share their stories, and send me a cyber-understanding-hug is what gets me to bed with an easy mind so I can get up and go to work again. Also saves me money on refilling my Xanax prescription LOL.

    To newbies and non-nurses - Please avoid venting threads if they upset you. Read them if you will, but in the spirit in which they are posted. As VENTS. Surely there have been times in your own life where you just HAD to whine/scream/complain about a situation just to keep your cool otherwise. This is the same. And yes, most of us nurses HAVE been patients, and we DO understand the other side, truly we do. It's simply not the focus of a venting thread.

    And on the subject of students questioning experienced nurses. We ALL go through that stage in nsg school. The trick is to know when to bring up something, how to do that, and when to just hush. It is perfectly appropriate to ask your instructor "my nurse did xyz in this way, but our text book says that way... is our way just newer or are there other accepted ways?" as opposed to "that nurse sucked today, she did XYZ and should be reported!".

    As many other posters stated, it's all in the presentation.
  3. by   fleur-de-lis
    As a student, here is my 2 cents. I think sometimes progress results from someone with a fresh perspective making suggestions that others may not have thought of. Look at the recent buzz in the nursing field about applying methods from the airline industry into healthcare to improve outcomes. Many nursing students, like myself, are not traditional straight-out-of-high-school students, we have "past lives" in various disciplines and can bring a lot of new ideas into the field. I have also met many 18 year olds with wisdom and life experiences far beyond their years who have alot to offer, regardless of age or experience in the hospital.

    I also think that there is alot of burnout among nurses today - this is admitted every day in posts to this site. I have been there too in my past career, and what it took to get me excited about my job again was a new hire to my department who had some fresh ideas and was excited herself about the job (and to show age is irrelevant, she was 20 years older than me).

    All that said, there is a difference between fresh perspectives and someone pretending to know what it is like to be a nurse. I may share my ideas and thoughts on how I want to practice nursing, but no one can know that path until they have walked it. I quickly learned that there is a difference between what they teach us in school and nursing in the real world, but there are areas of nursing that I personally believe in and will not compromise. Others may do what they wish in their careers and I do not judge them - we all do the best we can with what we have at the moment.
  4. by   jill48
    Over the years, I have noticed that many people I come into contact with think that just anybody can be a nurse. I personally find that to be very insulting, but I let it slide. I know how hard my job is and how hard I worked for my degree.
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from fleur-de-lis
    .....there is a difference between fresh perspectives and someone pretending to know what it is like to be a nurse...


    Good post, but the highlighted area is really an important distinction.
  6. by   Works2xs
    In a "General" forum, any post is an invitation to others to make comments. Perhaps there should be a "vent" forum for folks to empty their proverbial spleens with some expectation of NOT soliciting opposing views.

    [sidebar: I really don't advocate that approach, but thought it was an idea worth expressing. A text forum is a notoriously difficult medium to convey feelings... especially negative ones. I think it would be better if folks just understood that whatever they put in these threads will garner opposing opinions and not get so wrapped around the axle when it occurs. Sometimes, folks approach these forums like a ringing phone: it holds some strange power to compel them to answer, even though they'd rather not.]

    Regarding the "only the experienced need reply" type of comments - It's an exclusionary tactic that seeks to eliminate dissent without the messy business of actually addressing the point made in the "rookie's" post. It always strikes me as something just about one "click" above name-calling on the "irrelevant argument" scale.
  7. by   nursemike
    I wonder if it might helpful, as many do, to include the word "vent" in the subject line. For sure, I know I'm not the first guy to respond with advice when a s.o. was just looking to vent, and I've been on the other side of it a couple of times. It probably isn't surprising that it occurs on an internet discussion board, too.

    I do think it might be worthwhile, occassionally, to question how valuable venting is as a stress-management tool. I suspect it can be useful--to blow off a little steam in order to later confront a problem calmly, or even occassionally to relieve stress over a situation too minor to merit confrontation. However, there are some risks when venting becomes a substitute for problem-solving. I think we all sometimes gripe because we feel powerless to change what's bothering us, but that can make it too easy to assume we're powerless. Stress, anger, anxiety--they can be powerful motivations for change.
    Another risk is that venting can reinforce dissatisfaction. Like when you start out a little aggravated, but the more you talk, the madder you get.

    Don't get me wrong. There's a line in the movie, Alien, where one character (Tom Skerrit's, maybe) tells the character played by Angela Cartwright "Stop griping." and she replies, "But I like griping." One of my favorite moments of cinematic dialog.

    There's a new nurse on my unit who is notoriously cheerful and enthusiastic.
    From time to time, I find myself asking the more experienced nurses whether I was as annoying as he is, last year when I was all happy and optimistic. But I haven't abandoned my initial strategy to consciously avoid burnout by resisting the temptation to make myself unhappy.

    I have three little mantras I frequently repeat, to myself and sometimes aloud:
    1. I love my stupid job.
    2. If it was all fun, all the time, I'd have to pay to do it.
    3. If they wanted a good nurse, they should have hired one.

    These, and a little judicious venting, do seem to help.
  8. by   jamonit
    i just sat down and read each of the comments in this thread. for a non-"venting" thread, in general, this feels to me like a pseudo-bash on newbies and students. in a perfect world, those with the experience would be more respected, paid better, etc.--but students and new nurses would be respected for what they are as well. in my opinion, this thread just seems to continue to enforce the divide between us and them. us "newbies" and they "the experienced nurses." i know there is resentment that new nurses are able to jump right into the PICU or oncology instead of "gaining needed experience" on med-surg floors or "paying [our] dues." That sort of discusion seems again to continue to enforce the divide between the new and not-as-new mentality and population of nurses. i say more power to you if you've done this job, done it well, and need to vent at times. us newbies sometimes need a good vent about you guys, or non-nurses sometimes need to vent about their experiences in healthcare.

    i just am tired of the sugar-coated ugliness that seems to seperate us--in real life and on this message board. let's respect one another's love for helping others, for wanting to continue to learn new ways of doing and thinking. aren't we all on the same team?
  9. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Originally Posted by fleur-de-lis
    .....there is a difference between fresh perspectives and someone pretending to know what it is like to be a nurse...
    Completely agree.
  10. by   Ruby Vee
    Quote from rnkittykat
    what's wrong with a different perspective? if the only people nurses listen to are other nurses, we'd be finding ourselves thinking in an ever decreasing sized box. bring it on i say. maybe i can learn something from outside my box. and maybe i can share what i've learned with the non-nurse. keep communication open. when we stop talking, listening and sharing, we're done for. might as well close all the schools. i've seen the teacher learn from the student.
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    there's nothing wrong with a different perspective as long as it's communicated respectfully, and as long as the poster doesn't assume that they know all about nursing because they watch one on tv. i have a real problem with folks jumping into vent threads or humor threads and telling all of us experienced nurses that we lack compassion because we're complaining about something that they have yet to experience.
  11. by   LadyNASDAQ
    I've been a Nurse for 28 years. I am very interested in hearing what students think and that they have interest and are critical. We are talking lives here. I think you have to understand that we have to dump this uppity power playing garbage once and for all!

    Sorry to knock you but the Nurses eat their young is very evident in your posting.

    Anyone who wants to talk shop, discuss what they think should be different and better is always a breath of fresh air as far as I'm concerned. I still love Nursing and couldn't care if you're a newbie or have even more years under your belt than I do. The whole concept here is safety and good patient care. The haughtiness needs to leave the profession prontissimo as far as I'm concerned!
  12. by   jamonit
    Quote from LadyNASDAQ
    I've been a Nurse for 28 years. I am very interested in hearing what students think and that they have interest and are critical. We are talking lives here. I think you have to understand that we have to dump this uppity power playing garbage once and for all!

    Sorry to knock you but the Nurses eat their young is very evident in your posting.

    Anyone who wants to talk shop, discuss what they think should be different and better is always a breath of fresh air as far as I'm concerned. I still love Nursing and couldn't care if you're a newbie or have even more years under your belt than I do. The whole concept here is safety and good patient care. The haughtiness needs to leave the profession prontissimo as far as I'm concerned!
    amen, i'm right there with you on this one!
  13. by   LadyNASDAQ
    I wish I could move this message to the forefront so I am going to start a new message for newbie Nurses. Please reply.

    Thanks!!

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