petty ? about med student

  1. I was working the other day, at the desk- couldn't leave, and a med student came up and asked me to 'get the nurse b/c so-and-so pt. needs to go to the bathroom'. The whole unit was tremendously busy, nurses running! around, our two understaffed aides behind with call lights, ect. The nurse for this pt was behind --tremendously busy. I felt like telling him to do it himself...I saiid, 'ok', and gave him a wary look b/c of that thought. What do you all think? Can they help pts to bathroom?
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  2. 35 Comments

  3. by   meownsmile
    Umm, i would think if he was seeing this patient, and has a general knowledge of the patients status, there is no "acceptable" reason they couldnt have helped the patient to the bathroom and then notified nursing that the patient was up to the bathroom. But,, med student... not their "JOB".
  4. by   MrsMommaRN
    the med student may have been doing what he was taught.(he is going to be a dr. he is above that, don't flame me for the comment.) but how hard is it to take 5 minuets to take a pt. to the bathroom. if it was his grandma would he have liked her to wait while someone went and got someone else to help said pt to go to the bathroom? in the time he went to get you he could have been done.:angryfire
  5. by   LilPeanut
    Personally, I would say "I'll let the nurse know, but things are pretty crazy right now, if you could take the pt. to the bathroom, I know everyone would appreciate it."
  6. by   TazziRN
    I have seen doctors help pts to the bathroom, but I guess he's going to be one of those who can't be seen lowering himself to that level.
  7. by   LeahJet
    I once worked with a doc that would put in a foley for you or give IM meds...if you were busy.
    Nope, folks, it's not an urband legend.
  8. by   Logan
    Quote from LeahJet
    I once worked with a doc that would put in a foley for you or give IM meds...if you were busy.
    Nope, folks, it's not an urband legend.
    Hi,

    This is true Our E.R. doc was was a nice guy and helped us out as often as he could.

    That said, I think Lil'Peanut's response was nice --- maybe the student didn't "realize" it yet, so how about giving hima suggestion?

    Thanks,
    Matthew
  9. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from LilPeanut
    Personally, I would say "I'll let the nurse know, but things are pretty crazy right now, if you could take the pt. to the bathroom, I know everyone would appreciate it."
    Nice
  10. by   MIA-RN1
    maybe the student has not had any patient contact and was unsure how to help the pt himself and so went for help.
  11. by   EricJRN
    Quote from CoopergrrlRN
    maybe the student has not had any patient contact and was unsure how to help the pt himself and so went for help.
    I was thinking something similar. Hard to draw conclusions without being there, but I think there are a lot of possibilities other than just a student who felt he was too good to do it.
  12. by   jonear2
    Ya know, I think I agree that the med student probably shouldn't have helped the pt up because he probably didnt know about the pt's status. I know I wouldn't have been too happy if the med student got the pt up, not knowing any better and the pt fell or he didnt use proper body mechanics or whatever. Example, Had an intern the other day who told a tele patient with bouts of SVT admitted for syncopal episode that it was ok for her to get in the shower which is totally against policy for falls. I was none too happy. On a side note, I have an intern who's policy is if there's an IV to start, a foley, ng tube or anything, please callher because she wants to do it to learn. She also told me how lucky we were as nurses to receive hands on training in those skills because she said in med school they don't really teach them. I know that when she is a resident or an attending she will send her interns to the floor to learn. I think the med student was ok. I dont think he/she was trying to be above anyone- just new.
  13. by   BabyRN2Be
    Quote from TazziRN
    I have seen doctors help pts to the bathroom, but I guess he's going to be one of those who can't be seen lowering himself to that level.
    Maybe it's something like, he needs "permission" to lower himself to that level. He's probably never thought that he could do it himself when the staff is busy. As someone said, he's been taught that it's not his job and maybe a little nicely put job training is in order. Tread with caution though, not knowing his personality he may not take to it kindly. I'm sure that some med students if they found out that they could take patients to the bathroom would be happy to do so if the staff was swamped.

    IF, in fact, it is OK for the patient to get up, that is.
  14. by   Ruby Vee
    Quote from coopergrrlrn
    maybe the student has not had any patient contact and was unsure how to help the pt himself and so went for help.
    [font="comic sans ms"]that's the most likely explanation. years ago, when i was working for a harvard teaching affiliate, an hms (harvard medical student, as opposed to the medical students from less prestigious schools who signed their notes "ms3 or ms4" depending on their year) was doing what was probably his first assessment on an actual patient. things were tremendously busy, as usual, and we were short staffed -- also as usual. it was about 10:30 and i was still working on my 9:00 med pass and assessments. the hms came bursting out of the patient's room waving a bedpan and screeching "she's gotta pee, she's gotta pee!"

    "so give her the bedpan," i responded without moving toward the room.

    "where is it? where is it?"

    "in your left hand."

    "oh," he said, and looked at it as if seeing it for the very first time. "where does it go?"

    one would think that would be common sense!

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