Patient Bites Nurse's Fingertip Off - page 8

LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A man who was arrested for biting off the tip of a nurse's finger spoke out about the incident Monday. Trent Taylor, 20, discussed his actions with NewsChannel 32's Allison... Read More

  1. by   nowplayingEDRN
    Still no response ladies and gents from anyone. I will keep y'all posted on when I do and post the responses for all to read.
  2. by   charissa
    Perhaps we have given them so much to deal with they will have to consider doing a proper 2 sided report on the case, or dont know how to respond to everyone.
    ITS TIME WE STOP LETTING EVERYONE ELSE HAVE RIGHTS ONLY TO BOW AND SAY, MY RIGHTS DONT MATTER AFTERALL ITS ALL ABOUT THE PT, EVEN IF THEY DO BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF ME.
  3. by   CseMgr1
    ITS TIME WE STOP LETTING EVERYONE ELSE HAVE RIGHTS ONLY TO BOW AND SAY, MY RIGHTS DONT MATTER AFTERALL ITS ALL ABOUT THE PT, EVEN IF THEY DO BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF ME.
    AMEN!!
  4. by   Cheyenne RN,BSHS
    Iam glad that the nurse is pressing charges against that man who bit her. Having a nursing license and going to work and clocking in does not end our citizen rights.

    I fired off a letter to that news channel myself. I cannot believe that anyone would want to picture nurses as villians, but then people will do anything to make money and increase viewers.

    As for the "nurse" consultants, people do evil things for the sake of money and can be two faced in a heart beat if it will get their name in the spot light, and they are certainly no exception. A case of devouring their own, and with glee it would appear.

    Dear Sirs at Wav3 news,
    I am absolutely appalled at the way you have presented the news article about the man biting off the nurses finger. You are acting as if the man is the victim and not the one trying to help him.
    A person does not give up their rights not to be abused or be violated just because they are on duty as a nurse.
    I have been kicked, beaten on, spit on, violated physically, and almost raped by patients that felt like they had a right to treat nurses as pieces of meat or glorified maid service.
    By the way, I am ONLY discussing the abuse I have received as a nurse by patients who are sober, alert, and oriented .... And not psych patients or those with mental impairments of ANY kind.
    A nurse prepares for a potential of danger with a patient who is not mentally competent, for whatever reason.
    I only know that EVERYONE will need two things in their life eventually, a medical person and a mortician. The former to prevent the latter.
    I hope that any medical person who ever treats you has read the article you have presented so negatively against the medical profession first.
  5. by   NRSKarenRN
    My last hospital days were in 1993. After viewing the video, my take is that this patient was increasing escalating in his behaviour attempted to leave the room after removing dressings from both arms, started swinging at staff and ws placed in four point restraints by security. The use of the head mask is a new safety device...I surmissed was added due to spitting behaviour in a person with a drug history therefore risk for infection. It appeared to me that AFTER this mesh mask was on that the patient leaned down and bite the nurse so a towel block was added to protect other staff from biting/spitting. Although some might consider this mesh mask extreme or unusual, one does not know what epitahs the patient was stating that might cause someone to add this protective device.

    The fact of the matter is someone WAS injured as a result of this man's actions-- a bitten off finger tip. What more serious injury could have occured from an out of control, drunk and drugged patient that WAS PREVENTED by the staff's actions would be the aregument by the facilities lawyers.

    Hospitals and healthcare institution's have an obligation to provide safe workplaces---the use of restraints seems to be supported by this man's actions, although the towel restraint would need to be replayed along with sound more closely for best determination for "necessity of use".

    -----------------------
    Here are some ANA and govenment links---look closely at OSHA site as adds support to this facilities appropriate restraint response.

    ANA's Occupational Safety and Health homepage
    http://nursingworld.org/osh/

    Workplace violence
    http://nursingworld.org/osh/violence.htm

    Guidelines for Preventing Workplace Violence for Health Care and Social Service Workers
    http://www.osha-slc.gov/SLTC/workpla...guideline.html

    Make Sure You're an OSHA Statistic
    Use the OSHA log to support your case for prevention efforts.
    American Journal of Nursing - February, 2002 - Volume 102, Issue 2
    http://nursingworld.org/AJN/2002/feb/health.htm
  6. by   NRSKarenRN
    P.S.: When nurse goes to court need to PACK that courtroom with as many nurses and hosptial supporters as you can--- all in uniform. That definately helped RN in South accused of not reporting a child suspected of abuse---even though seen by Dr she was the scapegoat and case thrown out after large turnout of nurses,
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Jun 12, '03
  7. by   mother/babyRN
    Perhaps a dash of one or two of the excellent letters I have seen written here to a more national media outlet might embarass I mean shove the powers that be at the station that isn't responding, into the lime light and "prod" them to present the story from a more realisic nursing viewpoint....Hmmmmm...
  8. by   healingtouchRN
    did I also say I am a proponet of chemical restraints when needed?
  9. by   nowplayingEDRN
    NRSKarenRN,

    Excellent input and information from your side. I am a firm believer in solidarity in numbers and that is we all stick together from all over in support of one, we will see things change. For when we stick together and support one another, then and only then will changes get made in support of violence against health care workers.
  10. by   flowerchild
    I'm sorry to hear that one of my fellow nurses is in the situation you all have been discussing. We nurses do need protection against violence in the workplace. I can tell you I have been hit, kicked, bit, hair pulled and yes even spit on.
    We also need ways to protect ourselves in a way that is safe for the patient. As I read the posts I kept thinking about my training in the ICU, from many years ago about caring for drunk patients, and the one thing I will always remember is that you never place a patient that is drunk in a position that they could aspirate their own vomit. I'm only posting this to let other nurses be aware of the risk of death to a patient who is drunk and restrained.

    I found this web page when I did a quick search this evening. (Link below)

    We are nurses, we are responsible for the well being of our patients, wheather they are drunk, violent, or not.
    While I do believe it is within our right as nurses to press charges against a patient that has done us harm, this is a great example as to why we would be deterred. If a nurse has not done everything perfectly and followed all policies and procedures...... it could lead to loss of the ability to practice nursing. Unfortunate but true. We nurses need to stand together to change the current situations of increasing violent acts against healthcare professionals in the workplace. I don't believe we should be writting to those nurses who are siding with the patient. This only gives their side more information that they can use against the nurse involved. You are not going to change their view point. We should be writting and working with the ANA, our local unions, and employers to develop safe plans and actions to protect ourselves from crimes commited against us by patients.
    I wish all the luck in the world that this nurse can fight this, she's going to need it.

    http://www.ombudmhmr.state.mn.us/ale...drestraint.htm
    Last edit by flowerchild on Jun 12, '03
  11. by   charissa
    Well, I did get a response, not from the station, but from the reporter, kinda seems like one they drafted up and stuck my name on top of, see if any you guys get appear the same, at any rate here it is;
    12 June 2003

    Dear Ms. Gartrell:

    When we first acquired the survellience video from Mr. Taylor's open court record, we showed it to various nurses, medical researchers, educators and attorneys in the Louisville area. This was done because we didn't know if the actions of the hospital personnel were out of the ordinary.

    Without exception, all of these people felt the actions of the nurse and other personnel were outside accepted medical and nursing practice. Several felt Mr. Taylor had been assaulted by hospital personnel.

    We then hired the experts shown in the story. We made it clear we wanted them to watch the tape and give us their professional opinion, without prejudice or prejudgement.

    Both of these experts routinely testify in medical malpractice cases. Their opinion was the basis of our story. We will report the progress of the court case and any subsequent investigation arising out of our original story, including anything involving the personnel shown dealing with Mr. Taylor.

    We also made it abundantly clear that Mr. Taylor was drunk, disorderly, abusive and aggressive toward the staff and others during his visit to the emergency room.

    Incidentally, the entire survellience tape, provided by the hospital, was placed on our website simultaneously with the story on our news broadcast.

    We appreciate your opinion and understand we probably won't say much to change your mind. We hope this letter helps clarify the process with which we assembled our story concerning Mr. Taylor and University Hospital.

    We stand by the story.

    Sincerely,

    James Zambroski

    WAVE 3 News
  12. by   charissa
    The last part, no that i read that again seems damn condesending to me, I hate that, it makes me spitting mad!
  13. by   Good_Queen_Bess
    Originally posted by lucianne
    It will be interesting to see what becomes of this. This is the same city where a police officer fired 11 shots at and killed a suspect with his hands cuffed behind his back because he was coming at the officer with a box cutter. The investigation found that the officers committed no wrongdoing. Some people--myself among them--think this was outrageous. I can't imagine 2 police officers not being able to subdue a handcuffed man without shooting him 11 times. Apparently many people think the shooting was entirely justified. Will this community hold medical personnel to the same standards as the police have been held (i.e. that what some might consider excessive force is allowed when medical personnel are in danger of physical harm)? Will they be held to a higher standard? I don't understand why the police officers couldn't subdue a handcuffed man, maybe the vast majority of people can't understand why the hospital couldn't use less force to subdue the patient.

    It's sure is a strange world when a police officer, armed to the teeth can batter or kill a person who vaguely threatens them, and get's away with it. Yet a nurse who is trying to HELP someone who turns violent and the nurse DEFENDS him/herself, with no weapon, is PROSECUTED. IMO, this nurse's human rights are being violated.

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