Patient Bites Nurse's Fingertip Off - page 5

LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A man who was arrested for biting off the tip of a nurse's finger spoke out about the incident Monday. Trent Taylor, 20, discussed his actions with NewsChannel 32's Allison... Read More

  1. by   healingtouchRN
    this is why news directors are what they are & not nurses. They have no idea what we must endure with confused, under the influence, or just mentally ill patients. it is truly taking your life into your own hands every time we go to work, whether from violence to dangerous needlesticks or some one coughing in your face. I stayed sick much more when I worked in the ER than any other job. I have been punched, slapped, spit on, cursed, bitten, my wrist sprained, pinched.....all by these innocent darlings! By the way, the patient that hurt my wrist was my former dentist, who was experiencing a brain injury from anticoags at the time, so I forgive him... it took five men to get him off me.
  2. by   FROGGYLEGS
    Originally posted by lucianne
    I wonder how race plays into the situation. I couldn't play the video clip, so I don't know about the patient, but the guy who was shot was black. If the patient in this case was white, could that have any factor in how the tape was viewed by the nurse consultants?
    From the video clips the patient is definitely white. The nurse also appeared to be white.
  3. by   BBFRN
    Interesting questions, Lucianne, but for the record, the Legal Nurse Consultants were from an Indianapolis office. I don't know about the public's view, but we don't consider race a factor when restraining patients. We are a pretty much 1/2 black, 1/2 white staff, and about 1/3 of our MDs are black. And I never thought of this before, but most of the patients I've had to restrain are white males. I know what you're saying about the Mr. Taylor shooting, though- I don't get it, either. As far as the tape on the mouth, I would agree with you if the guy hadn't bitten her fingertip off just prior to that. Would it not be self-defense at that point?
  4. by   blue280
    When I worked in the ED (as an intern for 6 months) I had the pleasure of being knocked out by a woman high on crack cocaine. She was c/o chest pain(go figure) and the cops brought her in for medical clearance before taking her in for battery. I needed to hook her up for an EKG and get her in a gown, so I asked if they could uncuff her for a moment. They took off the handcuffs and walked out of the room because she was a female and they were male and it would violate her privacy. You can guess what happened next. First chnace she got she attacked me. I was knocked out and I was to blame because I compromised the patient's security. This is a sick, sick world when people who hurt others have more rights than the people that are trying to help them. I feel soo bad for that nurse! I hope that this is a situation that really wakes people up to the dangers that health professionals deal with on a daily basis
  5. by   nowplayingEDRN
    I read the entire thread, read the article and viewed the video clip all in appalled horror! How could they smear the name of a nurse with out due process and take the side of a violent criminal???? Letter written and sent....Here it is for allnurses.com members:

    Dear Mr. Jadick;

    I am writing to you after reading the article written by Mr. Zambroski on the gentleman that is being charged with assaulting the nurse and reviewing the security tape of the incident.

    I am appalled that two(2) nurses would take ruling against this nurse that was assaulted and injured in this struggle.

    Yes, I agree that the man in the video does not appear over agitated, however, his constant movement and hand gestures show that he is indeed agitated. It is hard to make a judgment on whether the severity of the restrains was called for or not, but having been in situations like this, one must act, not only in the best interest of patient safety, but in the best interest of personal safety. It is too difficult to make a clear judgment on what the nurse was doing at the time her finger tip was severed by the teeth and jaws of the man on the stretcher, however; it was clear that she was kneeling on the shoulder with one knee as opposed to both knees on his chest. That tactic is not unusual when trying to physically restrain a patient that is bigger and stronger than the person trying to do the restraining.

    Another point that I would like to raise is how on earth anyone could say that this man was docile. He was not only under the influence of alcohol but under the influence of an illegal, controlled substance. Both substances have the ability to make a person mean, agitated and violent. I am sure that this man is sorry, now that he is no longer high or drunk but he also has a history of domestic violence, which says that he is a violent person to begin with. Does that, not stand and speak for something? In addition to all this, the man is under age for legal consumption of alcohol. Why are not the people that served this degenerate alcohol being held accountable as well?

    Why is it that the health care professional, nurses in particular, are required to endure and tolerate acts of violent behavior from patients and it is looked at as all in a days work and perfectly acceptable. But let that health care professional take measures to protect him/herself and right away, we are guilty of assault and terrible people with no ethics or morals at all. When will the public take the side of the healer and care giver?? When will it not be acceptable for a health care provider to be assaulted by the very people they attempt to care for?? When will the public finally take a stand for the right of the health care worker?

    Yes, there may have been other solutions to the incident that occurred, but these people...and that nurse in particular, did what they felt protected the patient, as well as herself and others that were caring for the patient. As for the towel you speak of that was placed around the neck of the patient, I saw no towel and it surely did not look as though the nurse was trying to tape the patient's mouth shut. I think you need to weed out any and all discrepancies before you print what is supposed to be and unbiased opinion and article stating facts only. Let me also point out that the audio is missing from this video. That in and of itself is an important piece of evidence and would tell the full story. Was the audio included during the viewing by your paid professionals??

    You say you paid for trained professionals to view the video?? I say that you hired professionals that were bought and paid for in advance to, not only view the video but sabotage the health care professional that cares for patients in an emergent situation.

    I am appalled at the media's blatant support of such debauchery and contibuting to smearing the character of a nurse that has yet to go to court for the whole incident. Shame on you all!

    Sincerely,
    Christie , RN
    Monticello, NY
    Last edit by nowplayingEDRN on Jun 8, '03
  6. by   CCL"Babe"
    You go girl!! Untamed spirit, I loved your letter.
  7. by   lucianne
    lgflamini, I really wasn't thinking about race playing a factor in deciding whether or not to restrain people, but you're right, that is a logical extension of what I posted. I was thinking more in terms of how threatening the patient seemed to the 2 consultants who were viewing the tape and how the general public would view it.

    Untamed spirit, your letter made excellent points. Please let us know if you get a response.
    luci
  8. by   nowplayingEDRN
    Thank you CCL......I get a bit empassioned when defending a topic I feel strongly about. I'll let every one know what response if any that I get.
  9. by   gwenith
    The question is broader than this one incident and untamedspirit - an excellent letter. Perhaps we should all take time to write - just a few words to this reporter or better yet to a rival network if someone would be so kind as to provide links to rivals I am sure we could come up with a few pertinent words.

    The real issue goes beyond one nurse, one state, one nation. The question we must ask is can society afford to set up a situation where one group (healthcare professionals) can be the target of violence without the recourse of self-defence. If this is accepted what would ensue?

    Would the current level of violence against healthcare professionals escalate to the point where _ but it is almost there already - the violence is causing us to lose staff from stress, illness and disillusionment. Will this then lead hospitals to refuse to see patients who are violent. Will there be not just security officers but armed guards in every ER?

    The reporter on this story has a lot to answer for - he cannot be allowed to send the message that it is OK for a nurse to be hurt in this way. It does not matter what the following story would be what the violent and less intelligent members of society will remember - this first and take it as a signal that it is open slather on nurses.

    I will be emailing him voicing my concerns.

    Igflamini - yes I would go to the court room along with every other off-duty nurse and anyone else you can round up and I would sit there row after row arms crossed set looks on your faces giving the message. No need for placards and vocal demonstrations just the silent message - we are here to see REAL justice done.

    I would also consider a letter to my local member of parliment or equivalent asking him/her this very question - can we afford to let the message that ti is permissable to be violent o nurses go out.
    Last edit by gwenith on Jun 8, '03
  10. by   BBFRN
    Untamed Spirit- great letter! Very to-the-point, and heartfelt!

    Lucianne- I see what you're saying, but we don't have any way of knowing if the consultants were showing racial bias. They sure were showing nurse bias, though. I'm not so sure they ever worked in a hospital, either. I'm going to try to find something on their backgrounds if I can.

    Gwenith- here are some links to rival networks:

    http://www.whas11.com/ (I'm thinking of writing to them)

    http://www.fox41.com/news/default.asp

    Please post your email when you send it, too! I'd love to read it.
  11. by   BBFRN
    Here are links to the expertise of the Legal Nurse Consultants:

    http://www.attorneyhoeller.com/mary.html It appears that this one may have worked as a floor nurse for about 5 years in the 70's.


    http://www.attorneyhoeller.com/marya.html This one, though, has over 30 years experience as a nurse prior to this. I wonder in what field, though?
  12. by   tonchitoRN
    it is against the law to assault verbally or physically a stewardess / steward on an airplane but it is open season on a healthcare worker. time to stick up for ourselves.
  13. by   susanmary
    Originally posted by tonchitoRN
    it is against the law to assault verbally or physically a stewardess / steward on an airplane but it is open season on a healthcare worker. time to stick up for ourselves.
    Against the law to physically assault anyone -- yet this nurse is under fire for protecting herself. Yes, as nurses, we have high standards and hospital protocals. If she didn't follow them - or her supervisor didn't - she/they will be called on it. There is a reason for hospital protocals. That being said, wonder what the news reporters, nurse consultants, lawyers would have done if a patient bit their fingertip off. This is so awful -- love to see a high profile lawyer take this case and make the big-time news. Aargh!

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