Partial Birth Abortion

  1. curious where people's thoughts are.
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  2. Poll: Opinions on Partial Birth Abortions?

    • I am Pro-Choice and think PBAs should be legal.

      5.56% 3
    • I am Pro-Choice and think PBAs should be legal, in certain situations.

      16.67% 9
    • I am Pro-Choice but think PBAs are heinous, and should be banned.

      31.48% 17
    • I am Anti-Abortion but think PBAs should be legal.

      0% 0
    • I am Anti-Abortion but think PBAs should be legal in certain situations.

      1.85% 1
    • I am Anti-Abortion and think PBAs are heinous, and should be banned.

      40.74% 22
    • other, please elaborate

      3.70% 2
    54 Votes
  3. 28 Comments

  4. by   l.rae
    l really ride the pro choice/pro life fence, so l didn't vote, but pba's should be banned.
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    . . . should have been phrased pro-choice or pro-life . .just to be fair. :-)

    Glad to see both sides (granted only 5 votes so far) are equally disgusted by this procedure.
  6. by   baseline
    Pro-Choice and heinous.
  7. by   sunnygirl272
    Originally posted by stevielynn
    . . . should have been phrased pro-choice or pro-life . .just to be fair. :-)

    absolutely not. this implies that those who are pro-choice are anti-life.
  8. by   Lausana
    Sunny you did it--you made the topic work Voted....good poll.
  9. by   kelligrl
    I haven't voted yet. What I'd like to know is, is there a place where a procedure like this would save the life of the mother?? As it stands, I would vote that it's heinous (and I am definitely pro-choice), but I'd like to know if I am not informed...
    Anyone??
  10. by   kittyw
    For those of us (including me) who are news deprived.

    http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?o...86CAE76CECC2F2

    US Senate Approves Ban on 'Partial Birth Abortion'
    Deborah Tate
    Capitol Hill
    13 Mar 2003, 17:27 UTC

    The U.S. Senate has voted 65 to 32 to ban a controversial abortion procedure. The House of Representatives is expected to follow suit and President Bush says he will sign it into law.

    A ban on so-called 'partial birth abortion' has been a priority for President Bush and Republicans who control Congress.

    Mr. Bush immediately praised the vote as 'an important step toward building a culture of life in America'.

    The legislation bans doctors from performing what the bill calls 'an overt act' to kill a partially-delivered fetus. It would apply to cases in which the entire head of the fetus is outside the mother, or in the case of breech of delivery, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the mother's body.

    The bill includes an exemption in cases where the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother.

    "It is nice to see that the United States Senate, when it sees evil, will do something to stop evil," said Republican Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, who has been a leading supporter of the measure.

    Opponents say the bill is unconstitutional.

    "The proponents of this bill distort the law and the position of our side with inflammatory rhetoric, while advocating a bill that will not stop one single abortion," said Senator Ted Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat.

    The Congress has been debating the issue since 1995. It twice passed a ban, but President Clinton vetoed it each time. Congress was poised to pass the ban again in 2000, but stopped short after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a Nebraska law that was similar to the proposed congressional ban.

    Supporters of the new congressional measure say it addresses objections raised by the high court. Opponents disagree, and say they will launch a legal challenge.
  11. by   researchrabbit
    Originally posted by kelligrl
    I haven't voted yet. What I'd like to know is, is there a place where a procedure like this would save the life of the mother?? As it stands, I would vote that it's heinous (and I am definitely pro-choice), but I'd like to know if I am not informed...
    Anyone??
    I am with kelli -- I need to know more (I voted and chose "other"). And I don't trust the Senate; I'd like a MEDICAL opinion.
  12. by   emily_mom
    Originally posted by kelligrl
    I haven't voted yet. What I'd like to know is, is there a place where a procedure like this would save the life of the mother?? As it stands, I would vote that it's heinous (and I am definitely pro-choice), but I'd like to know if I am not informed...
    Anyone??
    From my understanding, it would be "legal, in certain situations".

    Pro-choice....ban
  13. by   ShandyLynnRN
    Originally posted by emily_mom
    From my understanding, it would be "legal, in certain situations".

    Pro-choice....ban
    I think what many of us are wondering is what "certain situations" it would be legal in. And why other interventions couldn't be done.


    Anyone know?
  14. by   RN2B2005
    The fetus feels pain as early as the end of the first trimester. That pretty much decides the issue for me.

    I guess the other thing is, for those who would allow PBA (or D&X, if you prefer a less politically charged term), why would a PBA ever be necessary to save the life or health of the mother? A Cesarean section accomplishes the same goal, right? At the very least, the baby would be allowed to die a good death, with adequate pain control.

  15. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Originally posted by sunnygirl272
    absolutely not. this implies that those who are pro-choice are anti-life.

    I agree. But, isn't that the reason for the "pro-life" moniker?
    Isn't that their point, to make those of us whom are pro-choice appear that we must therfore be anti-life?

    The same reasoning/tactics are behind why commercials for SUVs, gasoline/oil companies, etc., nearly always show scenes of nature and animals in their ads.

    They want to associate their image with the environment, the very thing that they most harm.

    Not trying to start any controversy or anything, not trying to change any opinions.
    Just commenting.

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