Pandemic News/Awareness. - page 16

I had to close the other panflu thread as it was way too long, and becoming unreadable. I am starting this one with info on the agenda of this meeting tomorrow in Congress. I am linking to... Read More

  1. by   sanctuary
    True, Ayrman. Ya get it or ya don't.
    Too bad NIMBY doesn't work for illnesses.
  2. by   indigo girl
    Draft Guidelines on Ventilator Allocation

    The New York State Dept of Public Health is soliciting comments about ventilator
    allocation during a pandemic influenza emergency.
    DemFromCt is a physician who runs Fluwiki. He has alerted us to this information
    to allow for the online community to participate. There will be difficult ethical
    decisions to be made though I believe that they are saying that this planning is for a
    moderate pandemic event not a category 5 event.


    Here is a direct link to this information:
    http://www.nyhealth.gov/diseases/com...ilators/<br />
    Quote from http://www.nyhealth.gov/diseases/communicable/influenza/pandemic/
    ventilators/docs/ventilator_guidance.pdf

    The U.S. Department of Homeland Security “views pandemic influenza as both the
    most likely and most lethal of all threats facing the United States.
    1 Scientists and
    policymakers cannot know with certainty whether an influenza pandemic will occur.
    However, the better-prepared New York State is, the greater its chances of reducing
    morbidity, mortality and economic consequences.
    Quote from http://www.nyhealth.gov/diseases/communicable/influenza/pandemic/
    ventilators/faq.htm
    Although New York State continues to purchase and stockpile ventilators, we know
    that no matter how many ventilators are available overall, in a severe pandemic
    there will be shortages in individual facilities.
    This is because so many people will
    be sick at the same time.
    The ill will include healthcare workers, so there also will
    not be enough staff to provide the extra level of care for all patients who need
    ventilators. Undoubtedly, difficult decisions on ventilator allocation will need to be
    made. We must recognize this and plan for it
    .
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jul 14, '07 : Reason: Direct Link Found
  3. by   indigo girl
    This is from an interview with Dr. David Nabarro from the WHO that took place in December of 2005. I have posted this before, but it is even more pertinent now because the number of cases of H5N1 has increased, and the number of countries battling the virus also since this was two years ago.

    http://www.gartner.com/research/fell...ew_nabarro.jsp
    Quote from www.gartner.com/research/fellows/fellow_interview_nabarro.jsp"
    An influenza pandemic among humans through human-to-human transmission is a certainty sometime, and that's simply based on the fact that these things happen. It's a certainty that we get from studying history and recognizing that, over the last 200 years, there have been pandemics at intervals of every 30 to 40 years, on average. And we're about due for one now. So, unless something extraordinary has happened to human immune systems, influenza virus behavior or whatever, another pandemic is definitely going to happen. I just cannot tell you when.

    ...the pandemic will kill when it comes. But more seriously perhaps, it will do massive economic and social damage, because our systems of trade, finance and governance are interconnected and will not survive the impact of a pandemic on workforces. We need to be able to deal with both the human consequences and the economic, social and governance consequences if we're going to survive it.

    And believe me, the pandemic could start tomorrow. By the time the pandemic starts, preparation will be too late. So, you should be doing this now, and that's my message.
    The message is about preparation. You can not expect to prepare at the last minute. How do you inform people in a way that urges them to take action to protect themselves? IMO, you have to keep educating, and showing that govt and scientists are taking this seriously. This is not a fear based message. There are many things that you can do to protect yourself and your family. You have to take responsibility for your own safety.
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jul 14, '07
  4. by   indigo girl
    Operation Panstop 2007 is a drill designed to test whether or not an influenza pandemic can be averted. We do not know if this is possible. It has never been done before.

    The commentary is from Avian Flu Diary with a link to the Jakarta Post:
    http://afludiary.blogspot.com/2007/0...stop-2007.html

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/detail...2165939&irec=7
  5. by   Laidback Al
    I don't have 20 years of background in medicine and I am not a nurse or Health Care Worker, but I, and many others like me, represent people who want correct and accurate information on a potential pandemic so we can prepare appropriately.

    Me, and those like me, are just trying to understand the issues about pandemics, especially the next one. Yet some of the recent posts in this thread seem to be criticizing the messenger, rather than the message. If there are errors in the pandemic message in this thread, please let us non-medical types know what those errors are.

    Perhaps CRNI-ICU20 (or someone else who feels the information is being incorrectly reported here) could respond clearly and authoritatively to my simply questions.

    1. Will there be another pandemic?

    2. If there will be another pandemic, should we be preparing for it now?

    3. Finally, if there will be another pandemic, how will we recognized the start of it?


    Thank you in advance.
  6. by   sanctuary
    Quote from Laidback Al
    I don't have 20 years of background in medicine and I am not a nurse or Health Care Worker, but I, and many others like me, represent people who want correct and accurate information on a potential pandemic so we can prepare appropriately.

    Me, and those like me, are just trying to understand the issues about pandemics, especially the next one. Yet some of the recent posts in this thread seem to be criticizing the messenger, rather than the message. If there are errors in the pandemic message in this thread, please let us non-medical types know what those errors are.

    Perhaps CRNI-ICU20 (or someone else who feels the information is being incorrectly reported here) could respond clearly and authoritatively to my simply questions.

    1. Will there be another pandemic?

    2. If there will be another pandemic, should we be preparing for it now?

    3. Finally, if there will be another pandemic, how will we recognized the start of it?


    Thank you in advance.
    #1: Yes
    #2: Yes
    #3: Remember the Bell Curve? The statistical form that is created when large numbers of anything (IQ scores, men's heights, women's shoe size, number of people stricken with a disease) will also be formed when the pandemic hits. What we want to do is be prepared before the event, so that we do not have to wait until the second standard deviation to react. Do not wait until it is on the evening news. It will be too late then. Prepare now, and stay ready. Tell your friends, tell your co-workers. And watch the blogs. They can be a great source of information.
  7. by   sanctuary
    Quote from indigo girl
    Draft Guidelines on Ventilator Allocation

    The New York State Dept of Public Health is soliciting comments about ventilator allocation during a pandemic influenza emergency.
    DemFromCt is a physician who runs Fluwiki. He has alerted us to this information to allow for the online community to participate. There will be difficult ethical decisions to be made though I believe that they are saying that this planning is for a moderate pandemic event not a category 5 event.

    Here is a direct link to this information:
    http://www.nyhealth.gov/diseases/com...c/ventilators/
    I have sent this to my local legislators. I hope that my state is as forward thinking as NY, but if not, perhaps this will move them forward.
  8. by   indigo girl
    Kuwait still trying to control the spread of H5N1:
    http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=10
  9. by   CRNI-ICU20
    First:
    I did not say that the information was being incorrectly reported here...
    What I was questioning, and what EVERYONE should question is SOURCE
    of information, something many of you have just voiced as well....
    I personally don't believe we should base preparatory action for an alledged pandemic on BLOGS! I do believe that some government websites are also not ALWAYS that reliable in their information, because they rely in some instances on unreliable sources....(one only has to look back at our own CIA-Weapons of Mass Destruction fiasco.....Katrina-Mr. Brown-FEMA fiasco to get a clue at how CLUELESS some in government are!)
    To answer your question, will there be another pandemic?:
    It's hard to say, but most scientists who study cycles of virology, believe that we have ripened our population for one, due to the indiscriminate use of anti-biotics, anti-virals, etc.
    If there will be another pandemic, should we be preparing for it now?:
    The answer is YES...IF WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE PREPARING FOR.
    REMEMBER THE GOVERNMENT'S ANSWER AFTER 911 THAT WE SHOULD ALL GO OUT AND BUY PLASTIC AND DUCT TAPE TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM CHEMICAL ATTACK???
    If we are going to prepare, LET'S HAVE A SOLID FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THE HECK WE ARE PREPARING FOR!!
    Finally, if there will be another pandemic, how will we recognized(recognize) the start of it?:
    1) we must allow scientists/virologists etc. to operate freely, without political or monetary prejudice.
    2)we must recognize this is a WORLD issue, and not just Our County, USA issue, and therefore must allow other intelligent thinkers into the decision making process...(this would PRE-CLUDE some CDC people's decision to run the world according to the USA way of thinking.)
    3)We must allow these uninhibited scientists and virologists the freedom to make decisions based on THEIR knowledge, not on someone in a government or drug company agency that may or may not act on that knowledge appropriately.
    When this pathway is opened up, believe me, those who have studied, tracked, etc. the potential of pandemic, will know it when they see it....
    Shouldn't these be the people we listen to?
  10. by   indigo girl
    Quote from CRNI-ICU20
    "What I was questioning, and what EVERYONE should question is SOURCE
    of information, something many of you have just voiced as welll...."
    Sorry but no, they didn't just voice anything like that at all. No delphic consensus is going to occur either.

    Continuing to ignore what H5N1 is doing, and implying yet again that all the information here is made up by bloggers, and that the govt sources are unreliable too does not add to the credibility of what you are saying. And, what has been offered so far has had nothing to do with avian influenza. You offer no clear demonstration of any understanding of H5N1.
    Last edit by indigo girl on Sep 9, '07
  11. by   indigo girl
    Burma, fifth outbreak of avian flu this year:
    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...r-Bird-Flu.php

    http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2...n1_in_ran.html

    NIAID expands capability for influenza research and surveillance

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-nec040207.php

    Quote from /www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-04/nioa-nec040207.php"
    NIAID is expanding the surveillance and research program to now include six Centers of Excellence for Influenza Research and Surveillance. Their work will include determining the prevalence of avian influenza in animals that routinely come into close contact with people; understanding how flu viruses evolve, adapt and transmit infection; and identifying immunological factors that can determine whether a flu virus causes only mild illness or death. Additionally, some centers will monitor for international and domestic cases of animal and human influenza to rapidly detect and characterize viruses that may have pandemic potential and to create vaccine candidates targeted to those viruses. Ultimately, these studies will lay the groundwork for developing new and improved control measures for emerging and reemerging flu viruses.
    Last edit by indigo girl on May 4, '07
  12. by   indigo girl
    More on Operation Panstop

    Avian Flu Diary has pulled some of the PDF apart, and made the graphs more
    legible, but as always, has provided a link to the source material.

    http://afludiary.blogspot.com/2007/0...-pandemic.html
    Last edit by indigo girl on Apr 3, '07
  13. by   cactus wren
    CRNI
    Our CDC is in shambles due to poor management. They are actually pretty worthless when it comes to PF info.Read their own blog( oops,sorry my bad). Our Naval labs are doing heroic work on diagnosing AI. One is in Egypt, another is in Indo. Sounds pretty global to me.
    If I could find timely, accurate informatiion in MSM I would read that.
    MSMs message is; " Nothing to see, move along", and return to the endless fascination of who sired Anna`s baby.
    Pandemics seem to occur about 3 times a century.We`re due.Currently H5N1 seems to be the front runner.But, there are others that could pull and end run and get us,too.
    The blogs that you disparage so much have folks from all over the world, and posters range from stay at home Moms to world class virologists.
    Maybe you need to read Sandman`s article on adjustment reactions.

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