Overcoming for Mario - page 5

Hello Everybody! And I mean all the allnurses.com people here. Nursing, I found out well, is hard for potential nurses who are making the transition from civilian to nurse. I missed this board... Read More

  1. by   moonshadeau
    Mario, you have been given a lot of good advice.

    Can we please keep the comments constructive. If a member has nothing constructive to say, PLEASE PASS ALONG.
  2. by   Kayzee
    Nice post Furball. Mario....please take some time to think about what you want to do the rest of your life. If nursing is the end thought, then try, try again. You have to work hard to succeed. Wishing you the best in the future.
  3. by   ANnot4me
    Mario, I have read many of your posts. I don't know you and I won't pretend to know you. I won't diagnose you, tell you what your problem is or how you have it better than me and that you should be grateful you aren't me. What I will say is that I have made mistakes. I would venture to guess that nearly every nurse on this board has made mistakes more serious than not handing in a careplan or passing a narc unsupervised. I am sure that some of them never even acknowledged it. If I had a nickle for every nurse I know that is an alcoholic, drug addict, liar, co-dependant, racist, homophobic, sexist, psych case or just plain miserable and nasty, I would be a rich man.

    When taking advice, you have to consider the source. In the case of this bulletin board, the source is unknown. Remember that. Keep in mind that nurses are people and have no special value -- we are all equally human. I have made tons of mistakes and learned from them. Some were easier than others and some were more costly than others. Sometimes the price I paid was fair and sometimes the judge and/or jury was corrupt: be it by ignorance, greed, power, or personality or psychiatric disorder.

    Good luck to you Mario!
    Last edit by ANnot4me on Jun 4, '03
  4. by   yannadey
    So you failed Mario get over it whats done is done now you move on & learn from your mistakes. Stop whining & feeling sorry for yourself you want to be a nurse that bad apply to another school & another thing good luck to you and your quest into the world of nursing it will not be easy, as you have already learned.
    Last edit by yannadey on Jun 4, '03
  5. by   Agnus
    Welcome back. If you want this you can achieve it. Just don't give up. Giving up will be the true test about how much you want this.

    Perhaps I may(?) be able to shed some light on what is being said here. Saying I admit I made a mistake but I was treaded unfairly is not the same as taking responsibility.
    Yes, the consequences were harsh. Life is harsh. Not following instructions and doing what you are supposed to in nursing can have very harsh consequences for a patient. You were lucky the consequence was to you alone and not to a patient. The nature of your errors did not endanger your patient and another time you could make an error that does endanger or harm another. Waiting until this happens is not the time to initiate with harsh consequences.
    It is time to say I messed up. My behavior caused me to flunk out. I had control over whether I would turn in all my work on time and I had control over whether I would ask the instructor if I could give the narc with the primary nurse or if I needed an instructor with me. And I chose not to. The reasons you made the choice are not important. The reasons do not change the fact that you did as you did. The facts stand as you did not do the work, you gave the med without the instructor and no amount of explaining will change that. Accepting responsibility means quietly taking the consequence no matter what that consequence is. We do not get to choose the consequence of any of our actions (good or bad). You did not flunk because your teacher was mean, didn't like you, etc. You flunked because of your actions. When you can accept this without thinking of the whys and the unfairness then you will have gotten it. and and grown.

    I think in time you will be able to admit it at least to yourself and then learn in admitting it to yourself that it is futile to explain to others. Now if you are looking for another school you can find listings of other schools and even school catalogues at your school's guidance office. Get to work in finding the school that will work for you. Kisses
    Last edit by Agnus on Jun 4, '03
  6. by   mario_ragucci
    Wow chigap, thanks, you shine.

    It seems there are many water walkers who assume never having made a mistake. I read on this board where nurses seem like human. Some are saying we should shoot to kill all students for an interpreted error. Shoot to kill, as in zap them ass soon as a single mistake or deadline is met. I don't think nurses are Terminators. Making errors are, of course, serious events. But who can say they are following exact proceedure 100%?

    Thats okay because I am happy to talk about behaviors, and by golly I do admit to not being perfect as a nursing student. Thank you for this wisdom and I am still going to join the ranks of you great people, all. No worries, please. :-)
  7. by   alwaysthere
    Nursing is deadlines...
    Things have to be done at certain times...or another human being could be harmed.
    Nursing is taking responsiblilty for ones own actions because we are also responsible for our patients.

    If you are really serious about this (and I know you are) you will change the things (or the behaviors/thoughts) in your life that lead you to making these mistakes.
    What were the things that lead to you not turning in your papers??
    Why did you listen to anyone but your instructor?
    How could you have handled both of these situations better?
    And what will you do if confronted with similar situations in the future?
    If things get to hectic will you quit your job? If so how will you support yourself? et cetera...

    I would suggest that you think about this and have things well planned before you interveiw with another school. The key here is to recognize you do have problem areas and YOU failed...none failed you... you failed yourself..but you can target your problem areas by being aware of them and arrest the devolpment of the problem before it becomes something major...
    Another thing to help keep you on track might be to see a counselor or have someone to keep you acountable and on track and to talk to if you get overwhelmed...
    but learn the lessons that your instructors are trying to teach.
    You have to be timely...you have to take responsiblity for your own actions before you can take responsiblity for another..
    You have to follow orders ....there are higher degrees of learning than yours and you dont know everything.

    This post may sound a little hard...so is life.
    But I say these things out of care for you because as you said you need to get back into reality...WHen you fall you get up again and learn how to walk better.
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    ARGH why do I try? I am outa here with this:

    Mario, if you think nursing school is tough, buddy wait til you are an RN. I wish you nothing but good things, but you are gonna have to make some of those "good things" happen yourself. Over and OUT.
  9. by   ageless
    Some are saying we should shoot to kill all students for an interpreted error
    What does "interpreted error" mean, Mario?
  10. by   Agnus
    Mario I screwed up badly not once but twice in nursing school. I was like you the first time and said, things simular to what you are saying now. The bottom like is I screwed up and did not do the work required.
    I had to flunk out twice to really get it. So save the sarcasm.

    Many of the nurses talking to you can tell you that they too have screwed up at times and made mistakes that they easily could blame on others. The point is no matter how tempting it is you must get over it and realize that. You and you alone have control over your life period. If you make a mistake it is yours. No one can make you do anything. You are not the only one. You are not special or unique. Your are not an exception.

    I have not heard one person say they are perfect. What I have heard them say is we must admit we are imperfect. By refusing to accept the consequence you are in a way saying, I am special this was different I should not be punished. YOU are not. Neither am I.
  11. by   Agnus
    Originally posted by ageless
    What does "interpreted error" mean, Mario?
    Evidently Mario interpets that there was no error. Otherwise there would be no need to use such a qualifier word.

    Yep, I am loosing patience here. My wall has a pretty good size impression of my head in it.

    Mario, it is only when we care about someone that we try this hard to get through. I would not waste my time with you otherwise, as I do preceive a bit of concrete between your ears.
  12. by   Lausana
    Originally posted by mario_ragucci
    Wow chigap, thanks, you shine.

    It seems there are many water walkers who assume never having made a mistake. I read on this board where nurses seem like human. Some are saying we should shoot to kill all students for an interpreted error. Shoot to kill, as in zap them ass soon as a single mistake or deadline is met. I don't think nurses are Terminators. Making errors are, of course, serious events. But who can say they are following exact proceedure 100%?

    Thats okay because I am happy to talk about behaviors, and by golly I do admit to not being perfect as a nursing student. Thank you for this wisdom and I am still going to join the ranks of you great people, all. No worries, please. :-)
    Shoot to kill as soon as they make a mistake? No before you do. As long as you keep being so stubborn, you will not be safe

    No worries? Not too many, but I don't plan on being in a hospital up your way anytime soon.
  13. by   Agnus
    Originally posted by mario_ragucci

    What can I tell new schools? I HATE whining, but how can I communicate what happened quickly? What do I say? Should I frown? Nothing to it but to do it. Thank you for the words and spirit! No worries.
    You hate to whine. It dose not become you. SO DONT DO IT.

    What can you say?

    First this is not something that happened to you. This is something you did.

    Say I failed to turn in assignments on time and I failed to get my instructor when adminsistering a Narc. I was wrong. That is simple anyone can undrstand it. It needs no explaination and should not have one attached to it. It insults peoples inteligence to make excuses or say you were treated unfairly.

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