Out With It

Out With It is the story of a nurse who lives with Borderline Personality Disorder and the events leading up to diagnosis. The title Out With It comes from the desire to come out about Borderline Personality Disorder, which carries a huge stigma with it and the hope that the stigma will be broken. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

I sat there in library working on one of my many papers and projects that I had due. I was exhausted--exhausted physically, mentally, emotionally; I was done with it. Suddenly, a thought came to my mind to kill myself. I finished what I was doing and packed my materials up for the day and went home. I grabbed some money, told my mom I was going to study with a friend for a test I had (I put some books in a bag to make it seem realistic), and drove to the store. I picked up some duct tape, wine, beer, and cups. I went to pay for it and the cashier made a comment something to the effect of "duct tape and wine, you must be going to have some kind of party." Little did he know that I was planning to kill myself. After I left the store, I went to the ABC store and bought vodka. Then, I got on the road.

I made it approximately an hour away from where I live and then, it got dark and harder to see. I pulled off the exit and started looking for a hotel to check into. I passed the community hospital and I thought "that's where I will be taken to, if I survive or that's where my body will be taken, if I succeed." I did have a fleeting thought of going to the hospital and telling them that I was suicidal. Then, I thought "no, I want to die. I am tired of everything." I found a hotel and checked in. After I got into the room, I started pouring the wine and vodka into the cups and started drinking. I became a person that didn't mix hard liquor with anything--just straight (not shots, into cups, drinking it like a normal drink) and I drank wine in cups, as well (as opposed to wine glasses). I started feeling to affects of the alcohol.

I went into the bathroom because I started vomiting. I didn't want a huge mess on the hotel room floor. I was ready to get the bag and duct tape. The plan was to suffocate myself by putting a bag over my head and wrapping duct tape around my head. I hated myself and really thought I deserved to die. I put the bag over my head and wrapped the duct around my head as tight as I possibly could, thinking of how awful I was and how much I deserved what I was doing to myself. As I wrapped the duct tape around my head (before I got eye level--I started at my mouth and went upwards), I started seeing little petechial bruising appear around my ankles. A little voice (kind of like a conscience) was screaming "Stop! Please stop! You are going to be a nurse! Please stop!". I wanted to be a nurse more than anything. I realized at that point if I didn't get the tape off, and I survived; then, I would have no future as I was quickly running out of oxygen and would likely be in a vegetative state. I left the room and went to the front desk.

I have no clear recollection of what happened between going to the front desk and being in a room in the emergency room. While in the emergency room, I was visited by an officer from the police department. The original impression from the various personnel was that it was an attempted homicide. However, when they questioned me, I was honest. I told them it was a suicide attempt and I broke down. I remember sobbing that I needed help. They were very compassionate and promised that they would get me help.

I went through a couple day stay in the ICU, psych evaluation, and then, I was taken in a security/police car to an in-patient psych hospital as an involuntary commit. My admitting diagnosis was Major Depression. I spent three days there and the psychiatrist could not figure out what was wrong with me. I had to go to a court hearing, where they moved to have my stay extended. My request was that I be released as I was going to fail my classes if I stayed; then, there really would be problems with me being suicidal as I would have nothing. The decision was that I be released with a court order for mandatory outpatient treatment. Any violation of the order, I would go back to in-patient. I left the facility without a diagnosis.

I was compliant with the order and was completely honest in my evaluations during outpatient treatment. The psychiatrist, that I had at the time, came up with a diagnosis of Bipolar I.

It was about the time to apply for my nursing license. This was the diagnosis that went down on the application. That psychiatrist retired; therefore, he was not the one who wrote the letter to the Board of Nursing. The new psychiatrist came in and did an evaluation. He came up with a diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder and I did not have Bipolar I. The letter to the Board of Nursing, and my Board Order, reflects this diagnosis. I was offered a pre-hearing consent order (PHCO) in lieu of an informal conference hearing, in which I had to agree to enter into the Health Practitioners' Monitoring Program (HPMP). I took the deal as opposed to facing an informal conference that could end in denial of licensure. I received my Authorization to Test (ATT) and scheduled a date for NCLEX. I took the NCLEX and passed first try with 75 questions. I received my nursing license a little over a week later.

I appreciate that, Esme. But, the reason I shared my story is because I wanted something different. I can google borderline personality disorder and find multi's story a dime a dozen. It really has become a complain fest with the family members, former lovers, etc. of people with BPD. I am sorry if someone did multi wrong, but she (?) is no longer with them (and from what it sounds like, it happen a long time ago, not recent). She does need to move on--living in the past and living with the anger she has and negativity will eat her alive. I mainly did it to show any other person with BPD on here (admittedly or "in the closet", especially the nursing students) that yes, it is possible to have the dreaded BPD diagnosis and get licensed. I did. I am also in a good place in recovery and I am what I consider a decent, productive member of society. So, thus far (do not know about the future), I am not the typical "Borderline" (which I hate the label because I am a person, not a diagnosis--I am also a nurse, a daughter, a sister, volunteer, etc.)

If this is going to come to this, please close this article/topic because I would rather multi started her own article or thread with her story rather than ruining mine. To me, in addition to the showing others you can be successful with BPD, my article was supposed to be something cathartic and for me to be able to look back on it and see how far I have come. I feel like it's marred now with this arguing and negativity and such. I would rather it be stopped and closed than this be continued. Perhaps a better place for my story would have been my blog (I turn my comments off because I am open about my BPD and quite frankly, I don't care what other peoples' opinions are of me and my BPD. I'll be good to you, if you are good to me. Plain and simple.) Maybe I will copy and paste it into my blog and turn the comments off.

Multi, you can talk about whatever you want. I am going to copy and paste it into my blog.

You should definitely copy and paste your article into your blog and turn off the comments because you can't turn people's opinions off on AN... nor can you control the response you receive here. It is really sad that you feel your article is "ruined" and "marred" because it was definitely worth reading. I'm sorry you didn't get the response you were looking for and obviously you do care about what people think if you need to turn the comments off to block out negativity.

In my experience with BPD, introspection goes a very, very long way. Dig deep and good luck.

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I appreciate that, Esme. But, the reason I shared my story is because I wanted something different. I can google borderline personality disorder and find multi's story a dime a dozen. It really has become a complain fest with the family members, former lovers, etc. of people with BPD. I am sorry if someone did multi wrong, but she (?) is no longer with them (and from what it sounds like, it happen a long time ago, not recent). She does need to move on--living in the past and living with the anger she has and negativity will eat her alive. I mainly did it to show any other person with BPD on here (admittedly or "in the closet", especially the nursing students) that yes, it is possible to have the dreaded BPD diagnosis and get licensed. I did. I am also in a good place in recovery and I am what I consider a decent, productive member of society. So, thus far (do not know about the future), I am not the typical "Borderline" (which I hate the label because I am a person, not a diagnosis--I am also a nurse, a daughter, a sister, volunteer, etc.)

If this is going to come to this, please close this article/topic because I would rather multi started her own article or thread with her story rather than ruining mine. To me, in addition to the showing others you can be successful with BPD, my article was supposed to be something cathartic and for me to be able to look back on it and see how far I have come. I feel like it's marred now with this arguing and negativity and such. I would rather it be stopped and closed than this be continued. Perhaps a better place for my story would have been my blog (I turn my comments off because I am open about my BPD and quite frankly, I don't care what other peoples' opinions are of me and my BPD. I'll be good to you, if you are good to me. Plain and simple.) Maybe I will copy and paste it into my blog and turn the comments off.

Multi, you can talk about whatever you want. I am going to copy and paste it into my blog.

The discussion is still a good one. You just rose to the occasion. Saw harm where none existed. Did some conclusion jumping. What about multi's post leads you to believe that she's stll carrying baggage from a past relationship?

The girl was sharing. You just didn't care to hear it bc it portrays 'all with bpd in a negative light'. No one said it before you did. You engaged her about her own experiences...of course she responded. She was correcting you. Personally...I've dealt with one who had bpd. She was comorbid (bp 2) and hell on two feet. I mean, a complete PITA. The aides used to flip coins to decide who would 'deal with her'...and yes-I do mean 'deal with her'. Every interaction with her was an ordeal. She was abusive, mean, selfish, manipulative....even her fam didn't want to deal with her. They don't write her off. They just can't take her...all the time. Understandable....when you possess characteristics that turn ppl....off. When you behave in such a way thst makes ppl want to run from you... Now... Do i believe that every individual with bpd is like her? Uh, I dunno. How 'bout Ill let you know when I meet them all... lol i will say that you give far too much credit to these internet sites. Most ppl don't know crap about pd's. Ive never heard of the woman you mentioned...and im a psych nurse. All mental disorders are painted as being one in the same. Every disorder is viewed with a spotlight on the negatives. Not just bpd... Anyway...I respect what you're trying to do.

Its a good thing. No need to close the thread.

Med, BPD gets a lot of undeserved negative light. I don't think I see much good about BPD online or even spoken.

What makes me mad about multi is this--I really wrote the article for Mental Health Awareness Month (my contribution), for myself, and for the admitted and "in the closet" people with BPD. The only part of it that was directly at the non-BPD people (other diagnosis or non-diagnosis) was that I was hoping for people to have a conversation as in ask me (and other posters here with it) about BPD instead of these negative stereotypes. I am sorry she (?) was abused--there must have been something else wrong that person. People with BPD are violent towards themselves--perhaps he had something like severe antisocial (although mild antisocials are mostly just people who do drugs, per what my therapist told me. I asked her what they were like because I am sure they get a negative stereotype, too.)

Like I said, I can google BPD and multi's story comes up a hundred times (by other non-BPD people, of course); I want something positive for a change. I am just incredibly exhausted with the negativity. If harm wasn't meant then I have no idea why multi connected a BPD story with abuse and whatever it was.

My goal was to give hope and enlighten, not to bash people with BPD by connecting them with abuse. Some people with BPD might be like that, but note the some--not all.

Google her. Randi Kreger--Walking on Eggshells. The book she co-wrote is a book people with family members with BPD have been recommended since the 80s. Then, she decided she was an expert (no healthcare credentials) so she wrote every slanderous aspect (from jobs to relationships to parenting) of BPD. It's ridiculous. Many more like her. Just haven't found anything really positive.

I kind of like my BPD. First to say it...and it's okay. I am who I am and I am following healthy habits now.

Shy, I am not looking for "way to go" comments. I wanted a discussion and wanted people to ask me questions and such rather than turn into the toxic BPD bashing it's always been. The thing about BPD is it has a huge stigma. Most of that stigma (99.9%) comes from healthcare providers. I wish it would change.

Maybe I should ask multi this--what was the point of your posts? If all BPD people are not like that, then what were you getting at? I apparently missed it and automatically thought it was a bash post.

Med, BPD gets a lot of undeserved negative light. I don't think I see much good about BPD online or even spoken.

What makes me mad about multi is this--I really wrote the article for Mental Health Awareness Month (my contribution), for myself, and for the admitted and "in the closet" people with BPD. The only part of it that was directly at the non-BPD people (other diagnosis or non-diagnosis) was that I was hoping for people to have a conversation as in ask me (and other posters here with it) about BPD instead of these negative stereotypes. I am sorry she (?) was abused--there must have been something else wrong that person. People with BPD are violent towards themselves--perhaps he had something like severe antisocial (although mild antisocials are mostly just people who do drugs, per what my therapist told me. I asked her what they were like because I am sure they get a negative stereotype, too.)

Like I said, I can google BPD and multi's story comes up a hundred times (by other non-BPD people, of course); I want something positive for a change. I am just incredibly exhausted with the negativity. If harm wasn't meant then I have no idea why multi connected a BPD story with abuse and whatever it was.

My goal was to give hope and enlighten, not to bash people with BPD by connecting them with abuse. Some people with BPD might be like that, but note the some--not all.

Google her. Randi Kreger--Walking on Eggshells. The book she co-wrote is a book people with family members with BPD have been recommended since the 80s. Then, she decided she was an expert (no healthcare credentials) so she wrote every slanderous aspect (from jobs to relationships to parenting) of BPD. It's ridiculous. Many more like her. Just haven't found anything really positive.

I kind of like my BPD. First to say it...and it's okay. I am who I am and I am following healthy habits now.

Shy, I am not looking for "way to go" comments. I wanted a discussion and wanted people to ask me questions and such rather than turn into the toxic BPD bashing it's always been. The thing about BPD is it has a huge stigma. Most of that stigma (99.9%) comes from healthcare providers. I wish it would change.

Maybe I should ask multi this--what was the point of your posts? If all BPD people are not like that, then what were you getting at? I apparently missed it and automatically thought it was a bash post.

Mine was in no way a "way to go comment." Your expectations for this article were very unrealistic. I hope one day you will be able to see that and gain some insight on the negative image of BPD through doing some introspection.

Shy, I am not saying yours was--I am saying the point of the article other than for myself, MH month, and for others with BPD was to hopefully enlighten people, not fish for "way to go comments". I don't mind having a conversation; however, I am not going to get into another "bash BPD" argument on here.

I am very introspective--"the avoidant"/"hermit" BP and am at a lovely point in my life.

Sorry for trying to enlighten people about BPD and a perspective from a person with BPD. I am tired of this thread. I don't think anyone's perspective of people with BPD changed at all. You already have your mind made up.

Shy, I am not saying yours was--I am saying the point of the article other than for myself, MH month, and for others with BPD was to hopefully enlighten people, not fish for "way to go comments". I don't mind having a conversation; however, I am not going to get into another "bash BPD" argument on here.

I am very introspective--"the avoidant"/"hermit" BP and am at a lovely point in my life.

Sorry for trying to enlighten people about BPD and a perspective from a person with BPD. I am tired of this thread. I don't think anyone's perspective of people with BPD changed at all. You already have your mind made up.[/vQUOTE]

Well if nothing else your article certainly helped me. I too have searched online on the topic and there are nothing but horror stories and advice to stay far far away from people with BPD. I don't get the point of multi ls post either.

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Wish me luck, I'm so sorry about the direction your thread took - but I am very proud of you for sticking your neck out, and very thankful you did. I did have an initial dx of borderline after a suicide attempt; it has been changed to Bipolar and the PD dropped. We both get misunderstood lol... but meanwhile we both can be a strength and help to others in recovery, now that we are past that initial recovery phase.

Later, after I had been sober and stable for a while, I worked chemical dependency/psych briefly and I was in awe at how professionals misunderstood people w/ borderline personality dx. Really they were not served the way they should have been. Staff acted like it was the clients' fault and that their behavior said something about their CHARACTER. Very sad. Your article and comments were and are VERY much needed, and I know that under the search engines now there will be a more reliable resource because of you.

Wish me luck, I'm so sorry about the direction your thread took - but I am very proud of you for sticking your neck out, and very thankful you did. I did have an initial dx of borderline after a suicide attempt; it has been changed to Bipolar and the PD dropped. We both get misunderstood lol... but meanwhile we both can be a strength and help to others in recovery, now that we are past that initial recovery phase.

Later, after I had been sober and stable for a while, I worked chemical dependency/psych briefly and I was in awe at how professionals misunderstood people w/ borderline personality dx. Really they were not served the way they should have been. Staff acted like it was the clients' fault and that their behavior said something about their CHARACTER. Very sad. Your article and comments were and are VERY much needed, and I know that under the search engines now there will be a more reliable resource because of you.

How do you define one's character without examining one's behavior?

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How do you define one's character without examining one's behavior?

"One's" is the key word ... and when the illness is stable isn't that a more reliable measurement? The more operative question is, how does a nurse examine one's behavior without being judgmental? And how does one give someone with borderline personality disorder fair treatment?Those are the questions one should ask oneself.

And if you are being abused, the diagnosis (if there is one) doesn't really matter. Get safe, and take care of yourself. Period.

And do you disagree with those who say there was more to this than a diagnosis of borderline personality?

And do you disagree with those who say there was more to this than a diagnosis of borderline personality?

In no way do I disagree that more was going on than just BPD. In fact, I would say that whatever else was going on is probably responsible.

Also, I would like to clarify that a) I am not yet a nurse, but have personal experience with BPD and b) I believe that there is effective treatment for BPD and, in my opinion, it is not a permanent diagnosis. People with BPD can and do get better. It is not a hopeless diagnosis.

With that said, I believe that being responsible for "one's" behavior and understanding it as it relates to how "one" is percieved is paramount to the treatment and understanding of BPD.

I apologize if my previous comments made it seem like I was unsympathetic to those with BPD.

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In no way do I disagree that more was going on than just BPD. In fact, I would say that whatever else was going on is probably responsible.

Also, I would like to clarify that a) I am not yet a nurse, but have personal experience with BPD and b) I believe that there is effective treatment for BPD and, in my opinion, it is not a permanent diagnosis. People with BPD can and do get better. It is not a hopeless diagnosis.

With that said, I believe that being responsible for "one's" behavior and understanding it as it relates to how "one" is percieved is paramount to the treatment and understanding of BPD.

I apologize if my previous comments made it seem like I was unsympathetic to those with BPD.

I have never heard it said BPD was not permanent, but I was dx w/ borderline way back and have since had that dx erased; it is good to know lol... now I'm "just" bipolar

I was a little defensive of a friend with the dx so I am sorry if I seemed a little put out, too. That wasn't all on you ... thanks for the apology. :)

What I was referring to was the eyerolling and muttering I witnessed behind the backs of some of our unit's better known folks w/ borderline ... :( Just having the dx seemed to generate that kind of response. "Borderline? Ohhhh, I see...." and the treatment that person received would automatically be less genuine and caring. That's how it seemed to me, anyway. Yes taking care of them could be frustrating but they weren't there for me - they were there for treatment, and I was there to help them. Judging them ahead of time was not the way for me to help them.

I have never heard it said BPD was not permanent, but I was dx w/ borderline way back and have since had that dx erased; it is good to know lol... now I'm "just" bipolar

I was a little defensive of a friend with the dx so I am sorry if I seemed a little put out, too. That wasn't all on you ... thanks for the apology. :)

What I was referring to was the eyerolling and muttering I witnessed behind the backs of some of our unit's better known folks w/ borderline ... :( Just having the dx seemed to generate that kind of response. "Borderline? Ohhhh, I see...." and the treatment that person received would automatically be less genuine and caring. That's how it seemed to me, anyway. Yes taking care of them could be frustrating but they weren't there for me - they were there for treatment, and I was there to help them. Judging them ahead of time was not the way for me to help them.

It is only my opinion that BPD is not necessarily permanent (and I'm not a medical professional)! It's just how I personally view the disorder...

No apology necessary on your end! Sometimes my strong feelings about certain topics take me to an offensive place haha My previous comments had less to do with BPD than they did with the sake of argument (a bad habit of mine... Especially on AN).

Yeah, the stigma BPD carries is one of the reasons many are, as the OP puts it, "in the closet". I mean, why put yourself out there to be treated like more crap?