Out With It - page 5

I sat there in library working on one of my many papers and projects that I had due. I was exhausted--exhausted physically, mentally, emotionally; I was done with it. Suddenly, a thought came to my... Read More

  1. Visit  wish_me_luck profile page
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    Shy, I am not saying yours was--I am saying the point of the article other than for myself, MH month, and for others with BPD was to hopefully enlighten people, not fish for "way to go comments". I don't mind having a conversation; however, I am not going to get into another "bash BPD" argument on here.

    I am very introspective--"the avoidant"/"hermit" BP and am at a lovely point in my life.

    Sorry for trying to enlighten people about BPD and a perspective from a person with BPD. I am tired of this thread. I don't think anyone's perspective of people with BPD changed at all. You already have your mind made up.
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  3. Visit  pixiestudent2 profile page
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    [QUOTE="wish_me_luck;7324435"]Shy, I am not saying yours was--I am saying the point of the article other than for myself, MH month, and for others with BPD was to hopefully enlighten people, not fish for "way to go comments". I don't mind having a conversation; however, I am not going to get into another "bash BPD" argument on here.

    I am very introspective--"the avoidant"/"hermit" BP and am at a lovely point in my life.

    Sorry for trying to enlighten people about BPD and a perspective from a person with BPD. I am tired of this thread. I don't think anyone's perspective of people with BPD changed at all. You already have your mind made up.[/vQUOTE]

    Well if nothing else your article certainly helped me. I too have searched online on the topic and there are nothing but horror stories and advice to stay far far away from people with BPD. I don't get the point of multi ls post either.
  4. Visit  Liddle Noodnik profile page
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    Wish me luck, I'm so sorry about the direction your thread took - but I am very proud of you for sticking your neck out, and very thankful you did. I did have an initial dx of borderline after a suicide attempt; it has been changed to Bipolar and the PD dropped. We both get misunderstood lol... but meanwhile we both can be a strength and help to others in recovery, now that we are past that initial recovery phase.

    Later, after I had been sober and stable for a while, I worked chemical dependency/psych briefly and I was in awe at how professionals misunderstood people w/ borderline personality dx. Really they were not served the way they should have been. Staff acted like it was the clients' fault and that their behavior said something about their CHARACTER. Very sad. Your article and comments were and are VERY much needed, and I know that under the search engines now there will be a more reliable resource because of you.
  5. Visit  ShyeoftheTiger profile page
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    Quote from Liddle Noodnik
    Wish me luck, I'm so sorry about the direction your thread took - but I am very proud of you for sticking your neck out, and very thankful you did. I did have an initial dx of borderline after a suicide attempt; it has been changed to Bipolar and the PD dropped. We both get misunderstood lol... but meanwhile we both can be a strength and help to others in recovery, now that we are past that initial recovery phase.

    Later, after I had been sober and stable for a while, I worked chemical dependency/psych briefly and I was in awe at how professionals misunderstood people w/ borderline personality dx. Really they were not served the way they should have been. Staff acted like it was the clients' fault and that their behavior said something about their CHARACTER. Very sad. Your article and comments were and are VERY much needed, and I know that under the search engines now there will be a more reliable resource because of you.
    How do you define one's character without examining one's behavior?
  6. Visit  Liddle Noodnik profile page
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    Quote from ShyeoftheTiger
    How do you define one's character without examining one's behavior?
    "One's" is the key word ... and when the illness is stable isn't that a more reliable measurement? The more operative question is, how does a nurse examine one's behavior without being judgmental? And how does one give someone with borderline personality disorder fair treatment?Those are the questions one should ask oneself.

    And if you are being abused, the diagnosis (if there is one) doesn't really matter. Get safe, and take care of yourself. Period.

    And do you disagree with those who say there was more to this than a diagnosis of borderline personality?
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    Quote from Liddle Noodnik
    And do you disagree with those who say there was more to this than a diagnosis of borderline personality?
    In no way do I disagree that more was going on than just BPD. In fact, I would say that whatever else was going on is probably responsible.

    Also, I would like to clarify that a) I am not yet a nurse, but have personal experience with BPD and b) I believe that there is effective treatment for BPD and, in my opinion, it is not a permanent diagnosis. People with BPD can and do get better. It is not a hopeless diagnosis.

    With that said, I believe that being responsible for "one's" behavior and understanding it as it relates to how "one" is percieved is paramount to the treatment and understanding of BPD.

    I apologize if my previous comments made it seem like I was unsympathetic to those with BPD.
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  8. Visit  Liddle Noodnik profile page
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    Quote from ShyeoftheTiger
    In no way do I disagree that more was going on than just BPD. In fact, I would say that whatever else was going on is probably responsible.

    Also, I would like to clarify that a) I am not yet a nurse, but have personal experience with BPD and b) I believe that there is effective treatment for BPD and, in my opinion, it is not a permanent diagnosis. People with BPD can and do get better. It is not a hopeless diagnosis.

    With that said, I believe that being responsible for "one's" behavior and understanding it as it relates to how "one" is percieved is paramount to the treatment and understanding of BPD.

    I apologize if my previous comments made it seem like I was unsympathetic to those with BPD.
    I have never heard it said BPD was not permanent, but I was dx w/ borderline way back and have since had that dx erased; it is good to know lol... now I'm "just" bipolar

    I was a little defensive of a friend with the dx so I am sorry if I seemed a little put out, too. That wasn't all on you ... thanks for the apology.

    What I was referring to was the eyerolling and muttering I witnessed behind the backs of some of our unit's better known folks w/ borderline ... Just having the dx seemed to generate that kind of response. "Borderline? Ohhhh, I see...." and the treatment that person received would automatically be less genuine and caring. That's how it seemed to me, anyway. Yes taking care of them could be frustrating but they weren't there for me - they were there for treatment, and I was there to help them. Judging them ahead of time was not the way for me to help them.
  9. Visit  ShyeoftheTiger profile page
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    Quote from Liddle Noodnik

    I have never heard it said BPD was not permanent, but I was dx w/ borderline way back and have since had that dx erased; it is good to know lol... now I'm "just" bipolar

    I was a little defensive of a friend with the dx so I am sorry if I seemed a little put out, too. That wasn't all on you ... thanks for the apology.

    What I was referring to was the eyerolling and muttering I witnessed behind the backs of some of our unit's better known folks w/ borderline ... Just having the dx seemed to generate that kind of response. "Borderline? Ohhhh, I see...." and the treatment that person received would automatically be less genuine and caring. That's how it seemed to me, anyway. Yes taking care of them could be frustrating but they weren't there for me - they were there for treatment, and I was there to help them. Judging them ahead of time was not the way for me to help them.
    It is only my opinion that BPD is not necessarily permanent (and I'm not a medical professional)! It's just how I personally view the disorder...

    No apology necessary on your end! Sometimes my strong feelings about certain topics take me to an offensive place haha My previous comments had less to do with BPD than they did with the sake of argument (a bad habit of mine... Especially on AN).

    Yeah, the stigma BPD carries is one of the reasons many are, as the OP puts it, "in the closet". I mean, why put yourself out there to be treated like more crap?
  10. Visit  wish_me_luck profile page
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    The disorder part of a Borderline Personality is not permanent, in my opinion. I am at a good point in recovery, but I still say I have BPD. Always will. It's a personality--you don't get rid of it overnight. I just tweaked the behaviors within my personality that just didn't work and I am better for it.

    It's actually kinda nice being "out of the closet" about my BPD. I wish more people were open about it and banded together and fought the stigma of BPD. If people really knew just how many people have at any point in time been diagnosed with that, there wouldn't be much of a stigma. The idea of staying away from every person with BPD is just not feasible nor is it necessary. People with BPD can be very likeable people. I actually know a handful of people with BPD (so I have others to compare to, not just me) and they seem like okay people to me. But, their BPD comes secondary (as opposed to primary) when I interact with them--they are a person first and foremost.

    Again, like I told Shy in a PM, I might come across a person with BPD that is just so terrible that I hop over the fence line to where multi is. But, up to today/present, I haven't met that type of person with BPD.

    Random fact for you all-- it was highly suspected that Marilyn Monroe and Princess Diana had BPD. Not diagnosed formally, that I know of, but highly suspected by many biographers and psychiatry personnel that have looked at their behaviors and lives.

    I feel like with the stigma of having a Borderline Personality, it's like the line in OneRepublic's song Good Life-- "when everything is out, you gotta take it in." I have not heard anything really good about BPD. However, that doesn't mean that there isn't any...I feel like there's a lot of good in it--creativity (a lot of it), intense happiness (I personally don't just get intense anger or sadness, also happiness), I dedicate myself to causes, and most of all, since there is a stigma against what I have, I tend to actually try and understand other people who also have stigmas against them (the untouchables, so to speak. Think drug users, other people with any personality disorder, etc.)

    Do I wish I did not have BPD? No....actually, hell no. It has made me a better person.
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  11. Visit  dirtyhippiegirl profile page
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    Ack, sorry, I think what I wrote was way too confrontational for a general forum.
    Last edit by dirtyhippiegirl on May 10, '13 : Reason: biting my tongue
  12. Visit  multi10 profile page
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    OP,
    "hop over the fence line to where multi is."

    I am a human being and a nurse.

    Now you try to assign Borderline Personality Disorder to Princess Diana and Marilyn Monroe.

    They are both dead and can't speak for themselves.

    Your theory is very interesting ...

    but stupid
    Last edit by multi10 on May 10, '13
  13. Visit  wish_me_luck profile page
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    Look it up, multi. I didn't pull it out of my behind and I didn't assign it, just sharing what many biographers and psychiatry people think. Google it. I think it is just hard for you to comprehend that people with BPD can actually be very likeable people.

    I don't know what your issue is with me, but chill out.
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  14. Visit  pixiestudent2 profile page
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    Quote from multi10
    OP,
    "hop over the fence line to where multi is."

    I am a human being and a nurse.

    Now you try to assign Borderline Personality Disorder to Princess Diana and Marilyn Monroe.

    They are both dead and can't speak for themselves.

    Your theory is very interesting ...

    but stupid
    Go away.
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