Out of nursing program cause i am smoker!!! - page 8

Help, I am at risk of being out of the nursing program because I am a smoker. I really could use some advise on how to deal with a very unfair instructor. I am a first year PN student and we... Read More

  1. by   bethin
    Quote from traumaRUs
    I wanted to say that from a patient standpoint, it can be harmful. My 6 week old grandson just got out of the hospital after a five day stay (with oxygen) for RSV. He had one CNA that smoked because I could smell it when he stood outside the room to put on the isolation gown! My daughter-in-law asked that he not come into the baby's room anymore because the smell was so strong and made the baby cough.

    Also - in IL - it is illegal to smoke on hospital grounds. When I worked at our local hospital, it was illegal to smoke in the parking lot in your car even!

    I do not think the instructor should be calling you at home, threatening to tell your mother (how bizarre!), or threatening you.

    However, the no smoking rule isn't that unusual.
    I have a coworker (also a CNA) that smokes. She went into a pt's room and the pt told her not to come back because she reeked of smoke. Just this past weekend I was eating lunch in the break room and she walks in. I immediately lost my appetite and the whole room stunk. It's against hospital policy to smoke on the property but they just stand on the sidewalk and do it. I'm allergic to smoke. Watery eyes, sneezing, stuffy nose, the works.

    I think it's unprofessional. I'd write the paper and never smoke again. As far as her telling your mom? What, are you 14? Tell her to mind her own frigging business.

    Off topic, but this reminds me of the time that I got a speeding ticket. A coworker of my dad's heard it on the scanner and he called me on my cell phone! I was 26 years old, made my own car payment, insurance, plates and this guy had the nerve to tell my dad!
  2. by   bkaymsn
    Sometimes you have to decides how bad you want something and if your willing to play the game to get there
  3. by   Spidey's mom
    originally posted by jimthorp
    my school also has a smoking policy but it is not more restrictive for nursing students than for the rest of the student body and rightly so.


    there is a campus-wide policy for all students about when and where they can smoke. there are smoking areas.

    this all changes for nursing students at clinical sites. and that is fair in my opinion.

    however, the instructor was still off the wall about some of this.

    steph
  4. by   RN 4 U
    It seems very unfair however,i would suggest that you look over syllabus most of the time there is a statement that states that syllabus are not binding contracts and can be changed. I think that you should not have battled with the professor and insult her regarding her eating habits, she could say the same thing about your smoking habit. i have seen plenty of people get failed for battling the teacher, she holds your future in her hands. do the work and reconcile it later.
  5. by   Jay-Jay
    Quote from jimthorp
    I'd be interested in these studies. Could you point the way?
    Jim, I don't NEED to see those studies! I am one of those unfortunate individuals who is very sensitive to smoke. I was suffering from a bad cold one day, and when a couple of my biology students came to ask me questions after being outside for a smoke break, the smell from their clothing sent me into an immediate fit of coughing. I had to ask them to back off so I could get my breath back to answer their questions.

    We are health care professionals. We OWE it to our patients not to do anything that might adversely affect their health.

    I do, however, agree that this teacher is bullying the OP. It is NOT fair to dock her grade, then ask for those additional papers. Nor is it right to threaten to tell her mother.

    I was bullied by an instructor in nursing school, and would not have passed if I hadn't stood up for myself. This teacher's behaviour was so over the top, our clinical group had a meeting with the VP of the school to air our grievances. The teacher was demoted to teaching part time, and had to take remedial courses. She showed a total lack of respect for her students, some of whom were adults. I have a background in teaching, and I told the VP that if I EVER spoke to my students the way she speaks to us, I would be out the door so fast it would make my head spin.

    What she was on my case about was my hearing loss. She kept saying she felt I couldn't do an adequate chest or BP assessment. Did she EVER check me out on this? NOOO! The one time I needed her help with an assessment, she had 'other' things to do. Yet she stated on my evaluation that I could not do an adequate assessment. And this was after me buying a $300 amplified stethescope. (Did THAT ever put a dent in my poor, impoverished student's budget!)

    There are times when you need to stand up for yourself. I was told when I started nursing that I would need to learn to become more assertive. Little did I know it was going to be the teachers I'd have to be the most assertive with.

    The smoking policy SHOULD be thoroughly spelled out in the college handbook. Just like in charting for nursing: if it ain't written down....
    Last edit by Jay-Jay on Jan 8, '07
  6. by   misstaz25
    I have already clearly stated this will not be an issue anymore. I will not smoke on the morning before clinicals or during. Please quit be so self-rightous and calling me immature. I have also stated I am writing the papers. Please read all of the post before commenting.

    I am not angry because I got caught. I am upset that she made up extra punishment after the incident. I am upset that I paid almost 3,000 for that one semester of school and she could threaten all my hardwork over her principles. Just my books for last semester were $886. I am a dean's list student. I have earned a 96% in her class. I am upset because I am a responsible student and she has taken this one incident and made a huge stink over it. Even mentioning telling on me to my mother should be punishable. I am 30 years old with 3 children of my own. I don't need stupid threats like that.

    Yeah, you can throw in my face all the students that didn't get into the program and I did. I also went to school for all prerequisets getting straight A's and making the presidents list. I spent over $8,000 going to school last year and it will be another 20,000 or so before I am done. I earned my spot in the program.

    I really dont want to hear anymore stories of how people are allergic to the smell of smoke. I am a respectful smoker and dont do it around nonsmokers. The state I live in resticts all smoking inside public buildings except bars where you have to be over 21 and it is posted on the door that it is a smoking building. Even the hospital here has a back area semi-sheltered for smokers on their breaks. This is not an issue at these places if I was an employee, only an issue with her.

    Personally I feel I should be able to smoke in the morning before I am on her time. Don't worry, I won't. What it comes down to is she doesnt want anyone that smokes to be a nurse.

    I can understand that many nonsmokers don't like the smell of smoke at all. I don't like the smell of many purfumes. However I am nice enough to keep my mouth shut when I run into someone with strong purfume or body odor. I am also nice enough to not comment on the fatty eating a big mac or going through the buffet for the 3rd time. Why is it society is willing to allow open season on smokers? Everyone has their vice in life. If you say you don't you are either insane or lying. I don't care what people's vices are: smoking, drinking, caffeine, junk food, overeating, not exercising, chewing tobacco, biting fingernails and the tons of other bad habits there are out there. If everyone got bashed like smokers do there would be a riot going on.

    Being a smoker is not something that should disqualify you to be in healthcare. I really don't care that there are now laws about not smoking in public places. That is fine and I understand why. What I have a problem with is societies smoker bashing. What I do at my own home, in my car, or on campus in a smoking allowed area should be my own business. In case no one has noticed the anti-smoking laws and high taxes have not got smokers to quit. Smoking is not illegal. When they make smoking illegal then they better shut down McDonalds and all other fast food. Could you non-smokers please lighten up a little?

    When you give up even one freedom to better society, you deserve to have none. Ben Franklin
  7. by   RobCPhT
    Here's the thing... since the instructor is employed by the school she has to follow the rules of the school. This really isn't a matter of opinion, its a matter of policy and fact. If the teacher doesn't like smoke she should follow the proper channels and get that policy put into effect.
    Write the papers, file a grievience...... but do so with your lawyer. I am tired of nurses acting this way towards people who a coming into the profession. You know if we fired all the nurses who smoke at my company we would have hundreds of patients uncared for. I could care less who your are or what your title is. You don't have to like people who smoke, but you will give them RESPECT.
  8. by   ItsyBitsySpider
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    You broke the rules that THIS instructor established and that you knew were established. Doesn't matter if there is a written policy and it doesn't matter if you appeal. You haven't been dropped from the program yet, so my advice is to STOP trying to lash out and do what it takes to protect your position.

    Write the papers, suck it up and put on a smile, and don't smoke again around clinicals.

    You have to pick your battles. You just can't stand toe to toe with this instructor, no matter how angry you are, no matter how many letters you write, no matter how many complaints you file.

    Obviously you are angry and/or upset about the situation. It comes down to this: are those emotions and the need to vindicate yourself more important than finishing school? If so, go for it with reckless abandon and afterwards, figure out what non-nursing job you want to do with your life. If nursing is more important than venting your anger, then DO WHAT IT TAKES TO STAY IN THE PROGRAM.

    It's that simple.

    It's the two rules of college: 1. The instructor is always right, 2. If you want to pass, see rule #1.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Are you serious? This attitude is a prime example of why nurses are underpaid, overworked, and crapped on daily. Just plain old complacency and an attitude of, why bother fighting when I know I won't win. The instructor is not always right. The OP has the absolute right to file a greivance with this instructor. She is not only unprofessional, but possibly in need of some psychiatric counseling on her obvious power struggle. Why should she lie down just because she's a student? She broke a rule by smoking, she owned up to it and apologized. She doesn't need to be chastized and made a fool of because of it. I don't understand why nursing students suddenly forfeit all of their rights because of their need to get through school.

    I'm shocked at the indifferent attitude of the responses the OP has gotten. I would be willing to bet that if the rule broken wasn't smoking, she would have had much more positive responses. I hope the OP stands her ground and continues to take her concerns up the chain of command. If it is not a written policy I don't see how she has a leg to stand on. Make sure you include her threats about telling your mom, that's definitely professional coming from a nursing instructor.
  9. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from misstaz25
    I have already clearly stated this will not be an issue anymore. I will not smoke on the morning before clinicals or during. Please quit be so self-rightous and calling me immature. I have also stated I am writing the papers. Please read all of the post before commenting.

    I am not angry because I got caught. I am upset that she made up extra punishment after the incident. I am upset that I paid almost 3,000 for that one semester of school and she could threaten all my hardwork over her principles. Just my books for last semester were $886. I am a dean's list student. I have earned a 96% in her class. I am upset because I am a responsible student and she has taken this one incident and made a huge stink over it. Even mentioning telling on me to my mother should be punishable. I am 30 years old with 3 children of my own. I don't need stupid threats like that.

    Yeah, you can throw in my face all the students that didn't get into the program and I did. I also went to school for all prerequisets getting straight A's and making the presidents list. I spent over $8,000 going to school last year and it will be another 20,000 or so before I am done. I earned my spot in the program.

    I really dont want to hear anymore stories of how people are allergic to the smell of smoke. I am a respectful smoker and dont do it around nonsmokers. The state I live in resticts all smoking inside public buildings except bars where you have to be over 21 and it is posted on the door that it is a smoking building. Even the hospital here has a back area semi-sheltered for smokers on their breaks. This is not an issue at these places if I was an employee, only an issue with her.

    Personally I feel I should be able to smoke in the morning before I am on her time. Don't worry, I won't. What it comes down to is she doesnt want anyone that smokes to be a nurse.

    I can understand that many nonsmokers don't like the smell of smoke at all. I don't like the smell of many purfumes. However I am nice enough to keep my mouth shut when I run into someone with strong purfume or body odor. I am also nice enough to not comment on the fatty eating a big mac or going through the buffet for the 3rd time. Why is it society is willing to allow open season on smokers? Everyone has their vice in life. If you say you don't you are either insane or lying. I don't care what people's vices are: smoking, drinking, caffeine, junk food, overeating, not exercising, chewing tobacco, biting fingernails and the tons of other bad habits there are out there. If everyone got bashed like smokers do there would be a riot going on.

    Being a smoker is not something that should disqualify you to be in healthcare. I really don't care that there are now laws about not smoking in public places. That is fine and I understand why. What I have a problem with is societies smoker bashing. What I do at my own home, in my car, or on campus in a smoking allowed area should be my own business. In case no one has noticed the anti-smoking laws and high taxes have not got smokers to quit. Smoking is not illegal. When they make smoking illegal then they better shut down McDonalds and all other fast food. Could you non-smokers please lighten up a little?

    When you give up even one freedom to better society, you deserve to have none. Ben Franklin

    Sounds like a case of pick-on-them-don't-pick-on-me now.

    I don't see this thread having much of a shelf life since the (self-righteous and unecessary) usage of the word "fatty.":trout: Not to mention the comparison of bad food and smoking is, well i'll be dipped, apples and oranges.
  10. by   misstaz25
    One person a few pages ago said I should just quit. If it was really that easy dont you think I would? No I really like being ridiculed by people that have no idea what it is like to try to quit something you are addicted to. I would love to quit. It is not that simple. If you have never smoked, please dont tell anyone oh just quit. I know there are lots of nurses out there that have found a way to quit. What works for one person doesnt always work for another.

    Thank you RobCPhT. Can we please stick to the issue at hand. The bully of a teacher. I have decided to write the papers dont tell me to suck it up and write them. Mavis please I have heard enough. You clearly dont get the issue here. Not boo hoo I had to get up at 5:30 I had to leave town at 5:30 meaning I had to be up by 4am to shuffle kids around. I could care less about getting up early its that we did a 12 hr day in place of a 4 hour class and than got treated like children cause we picked a day she didnt like. This woman hates anything that doesnt go her way.

    It has been interesting to hear of all the places where smoking is not even allowed on the property. No place here is that strict. Its also good to hear I am not the only person with a tyrant of an instructor.

    People please I have admitted I mess up. Please quit throwing it in my face and focus on the issues at hand.
  11. by   mamason
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    Sounds like a case of pick-on-them-don't-pick-on-me now.

    I don't see this thread having much of a shelf life since the (self-righteous and unecessary) usage of the word "fatty.":trout: Not to mention the comparison of bad food and smoking is, well i'll be dipped, apples and oranges.
    :roll :roll :roll :roll TOO FUNNY.....
  12. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    Sounds like a case of pick-on-them-don't-pick-on-me now.

    I don't see this thread having much of a shelf life since the (self-righteous and unecessary) usage of the word "fatty.":trout: Not to mention the comparison of bad food and smoking is, well i'll be dipped, apples and oranges.
    I agree with both of these points.
  13. by   misstaz25
    I am not saying pick on them not me. I have many of the other bad habits listed above. However I only get ridiculed over the smoking. I have seen others get ridiculed over other habits by those that think they are so much better than everyone else. The issue at hand is not smoking, it is abuse of power. If you cant stay on track there is a red X at the top of the page to close the window.

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