Oregon strike - page 5

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  1. by   madwife2002
    Wow, a lot of heated debate on here. In UK majority of nurses and student nures are in a union, as we are advised to join one. they are there to support and to guide and they provide indemity insurance as part of their fees.
    If you have work related problems they will give advice. RCN which stands for the Royal College of Nurses, is just for nurses but there are other unions you can join. The RCN has a no strike policy.
    I just want to add my bit on the strike debate- Whilst i dont know if I could ever strike I support the courage of the ones who feel they must.
  2. by   fergus51
    Quote from fallonrn
    Try firing someone in a union. IT basicly takes an act of congress which wouldn't happen at an at will employer. In a union everyone gets the same raises no matter how productive you are. Unions promote a less than stellar attitude among staff (not referring to just RN's but all staff)
    I work in a union job and have seen colleagues fired. It doesn't take an act of congress, it just takes cause. Have you ever worked in a hospital with a nurses' union? If you had, I don't see how you could say something like that which is clearly untrue.

    My attitude towards my job has nothing to do with union or non-union. My work ethic never depended on how much of a raise it would get me. I do my best at work because I have never been half a$$ed at any job. It's internal motivation. Is that so hard to understand?
  3. by   madwife2002
    Now Fergus are you on your soap box this fine morning.
  4. by   fallonrn
    I've worked several union hospitals as a traveler. I wouldn't be commenting on here If I hadn't and everything I say on here I have seen first hand and not just a time or two.
  5. by   fergus51
    Quote from madwife2002
    Now Fergus are you on your soap box this fine morning.
    I am, except it's actually nightime here. I just don't understand how people can make obviously false statements. There is nothing in a union contract anywhere that says nurses can't be fired for just cause. If anyone could point me to a contract that says that, I'll happily eat my hat

    Seriously, I had a bad experience working in a non-union place that has led me to prefer a unionized workplace, but it never made me so bitter as to think that all non-union nurses or workplaces are bad. I know there are some posters on here who prefer non-union and are very respectful people who I would happily have as my nurse (like my fave conservative Bible reader in Northern Cal).
  6. by   begalli
    Quote from fergus51
    I work in a union job and have seen colleagues fired. It doesn't take an act of congress, it just takes cause. Have you ever worked in a hospital with a nurses' union? If you had, I don't see how you could say something like that which is clearly untrue.

    My attitude towards my job has nothing to do with union or non-union. My work ethic never depended on how much of a raise it would get me. I do my best at work because I have never been half a$$ed at any job. It's internal motivation. Is that so hard to understand?
    I completely agree and identify with this post.

    I am an incredible nurse. I do incredible things that are so incredibly profound that I sometimes cannot even explain or put into words what I do exactly to people who are not nurses (or even nurses who are not ICU nurses).

    I also know nurses who have been fired and they belonged to the same union I do. I've worked in different jobs before becoming a nurse that were unionized. Same thing, if there was good cause, people got fired.

    Our union is by US and for US. By US I mean the nurses at the hospital in which we work. The president of my union is my co-worker on my ICU. We are both staff nurses. Only difference is that she has many more years of experience in nursing than I do and she makes a little bit more money than I do. But NOT because she's the president of the union. That's a voluntary thing and I can't show my appreciation enough for that.

    fallon - open up your mind. Not for one minute did I ever question your intelligence (you know what I'm talking about). Why do you question mine? Would I be "smart" if I didn't belong to a union, like you? These are rhetorical questions okay?
  7. by   madwife2002
    Quote from fergus51
    I am, except it's actually nightime here. I just don't understand how people can make obviously false statements. There is nothing in a union contract anywhere that says nurses can't be fired for just cause. If anyone could point me to a contract that says that, I'll happily eat my h

    Seriously, I had a bad experience working in a non-union place that has led me to prefer a unionized workplace, but it never made me so bitter as to think that all non-union nurses or workplaces are bad. I know there are some posters on here who prefer non-union and are very respectful people who I would happily have as my nurse (like my fave conservative Bible reader in Northern Cal).

    Unfortunatly I cant help you out this am as I am unsure of the difference of non union and union hospitals.

    But I am sure what ever you are saying seems right- and you know I never aggree just for the sake of peace!!
  8. by   begalli
    Quote from fallonrn
    I've worked several union hospitals as a traveler. I wouldn't be commenting on here If I hadn't and everything I say on here I have seen first hand and not just a time or two.
    It's too bad you haven't had the experience that is good, yet. Really, it's too bad because like I mentioned in a post somewhere on these message boards, there is NOTHING like working in a place that values nursing excellence and provides avenues for nurses to feel that value.

    btw - I'm impressed, you got your ASN in nursing from Excelsior and you did it in 6 months?!?
    Last edit by begalli on Feb 24, '05
  9. by   begalli
    fallon, found this:

    http://allnurses.com/forums/showthre...30#post1014730

    So when did your opinion change?

    NOW all done.
  10. by   fallonrn
    what's your point? It doesn't change the fact of what I said about unions, or what I have observed when traveling. Nor does it contradict anything I said in this thread.
  11. by   Nurse Ratched
    Thread degenerated into personal attacks. Closed.

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