Opinion re: managing low blood sugar? - page 2
With all the knowledge and experience out here, I'd like you folks' opinion regarding the following scenario: I was day charge over this past weekend on my floor (Med/Surg-Tele). In taking report... Read More
Mar 2, '03Our protocal calls for a veniuncture recheck of a fingerstick under 70. In the interim juice/milk/cheese/crackers like 3rd shiftguy said.
If the recheck is still under 70 the doctor decides.
FYI I have also had a fingerstick come back at ONE! Done in the field, ER confirmed with venipuncture......mentally disabled alcoholic who they thought got some of his grandmothers insulin.....anyway they did the d50 several times and so did we.
Mar 2, '03Originally posted by renerian
NO offense but I have hypoglycemia and I would want the OJ and not the D50.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Mar 2, '03I'm a bit confused. . .
Where I used to work we always started with OJ+sugar(LTC) and where I work now(hospital) we do the same.
Is this the old way of doing things and we just haven't been informed of better ways.
Our protocol calls for the OJ/sugar followed by diabetic snack in 10 minutes and call MD. If unable to swallow or under 40, D50. Recheck in 30 minutes.
Mar 2, '03We have a hypoglycemic protocol that states if patient is alert and oriented to give 4 oz of juice, cola or milk and follow with peanut butter and crackers-then recheck FSBS in 20 minutes.
If they are lethargic or unresponsive, we give Glucagon if there is no IV access, then start an IV of D10W. If they have an IV they get 1/2 amp of D50, recheck FSBS and call MD (or something like this).
I am wondering with everyone else-why wasn't this patient's insulin dose @ hs adjusted?
Mar 2, '03Thanks all for your replies.
Firstly, the insulin was being adjusted each day, although it would almost seem like they were going in the wrong direction. Also, she coded from severe hypoglycemia, that's it. Chest compressions & the whole nine...not a "partial."
Secondly, I agree that intervening at a BS of 70 is a bit conservative. I would probably start at 60 or even 55, but be that as it may, our protocol states 70, and it's printed on the glucoscan sheet we use to record blood sugars. We are encouraged to start with juice followed by protein snacks as well, but for this low...36?? Like I said, I've seen a few people bottom out from 60 in under a half hour with juice and/or food. Also, how reliable is a pt's account at a BS that low? Most I've seen have been just a little "loopy."
I think I will be bringing this incident to the attention of the diabetes educator as suggested...although sometimes it seems like Nights at my hospital (no offense to 3rd shifters here!) operates in their own world, so I don't know what affect it would have.
Thanks again! I'll be checking in on my lady tomorrow, and I'll let you know how she's doing.
Mar 2, '03If I'm not mistaken, 70 is the newest reccomendation of the ADA. They are looking for tight glycemic control.
Mar 2, '03After school and working on a pediatric diabetic floor as an aid. I would have start out with the OJ first also. But then again that is the protocol in all the facilities I've had clinicals. Since the protocol sayss to give D50 then that would be the correct thing to do. I would be just as mad as you are. The protocol is there for a reason. I just really hope the family doesn't find out that protocol was not followed because the entire ICU stay will be on that nurse. She didn't follow the rules and could be held responsible.
Mar 2, '03Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy
I think the point is that they aren't following hospital policy.
That said, our hospital protocol is to start with juice for a rapid rise in glucose out of the danger level, followed by a more slower released snack like skim milk and peanut butter and crackers. But we don't intervene until they fall below 60. Not having the protocols near me, I can't say exactly what we do, but I'm sure this is it.
If the patient is still alert and not overly symptomatic I go with the juice.
We can't push D50 without an MD order anyway, so if they can swallow, I don't waste time. I still call the MD of course.
Mar 2, '03WE ARE THE CRITICAL THINKING NURSES. You know, the ones' taught to questions a doctors order???
Whatever the PROTOCOL...we use our brains! Who says the protocol is right? Will the Judge think the protocol is law?
You do what is right for the patient based on your education, experience and lets hope, "common sense"!Last edit by BrandieRNq on Mar 2, '03
Mar 2, '03I too would be curious as to why protocol wasn't followed correctly. Perhaps a new clearer policy can be developed from this case. Our policy states to get serum confirmations for BS <70 and call MD after giving D50W bolus if serum comes back low. Sounds like a great teaching oportunity for your hospital. Good luck and let us know how your patient is doing.
Mar 2, '03At our facility, we are told that under 70 to give juice or milk and a protein snack such as peanut butter & crackers or a meat sandwich. If it doesn't come up in 15 minutes then we give another snack and if it still doesn't come up we call the doc. If we are called for a "man down" and they are nonresponsive, we check the blood sugar and then give glucogon. If the blood sugar doesn't start to rise in 10 minutes then you start an IV and give 1/2 amp at least of D50. If you aren't getting a response from that, I would be getting a hold of an ambulance and give the other 1/2 amp of d50.
But I am wondering why that nurse wasn't following the protocol. I know what would happen at my place if we didn't do what the protocol says, even though sometimes I dont quite agree with the protocols myself.
Mar 3, '03I agree that protocol should have been followed
just like Renerian, I suffer from hypoglycemia and would rather have the juice and snack over D50.
This site is the NIDDK. They don't recommend D50 either for hypoglycemia.