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I had no preconceived notion of WHAT Nursing was when I went back to school at age 30. Twelve years later, this is what I've learned about Nursing: Nursing is NOT a Fairy Tale...there very often... Read More

  1. by   fergus51
    Lori,
    I completely understand what you're saying. There was a thread a while back asking how many nurses actually like their jobs. And even though a lot of venting happens on this forum, most people including myself, said they love nursing. There have been positive threads about mentors and preceptors, favorite rotations as students, favorite areas of nursing, nice things about coworkers, etc.

    Personally, I hope to continue nursing until I am a feeble old lady. I am just not immune to the frustrations that go along with the job. I see both the good and the bad in this crazy profession and post on and laugh about both. I am sure if you look you'll find more positive threads if you look, or you can always start even more of them
  2. by   micro
    cynical optimistic pessimist=micro
  3. by   NancyRN
    Permission from Lori to vent...golly gee! Thanks!

    In case you hadn't noticed, we ARE sucking it up. We're all working as nurses, except for those nurses with injuries and/or age related problems which prevent their working in the boot camp atmosphere which pervades todays hospitals. Those nurses have been chewed up and spit out by the same hospitals which are decrying the "nursing shortage".

    Blinders ARE out of fashion...
  4. by   mattsmom81
    Originally posted by NancyRN
    Permission from Lori to vent...golly gee! Thanks!

    In case you hadn't noticed, we ARE sucking it up. We're all working as nurses, except for those nurses with injuries and/or age related problems which prevent their working in the boot camp atmosphere which pervades todays hospitals. Those nurses have been chewed up and spit out by the same hospitals which are decrying the "nursing shortage".

    Blinders ARE out of fashion...
    I totally agree, Nancy, as one of those nurses who slogged through 25 years of boot camp mentality with many work related injuries to show for it. Hospitals will continue to abuse us as long as we take it, and 'making nice' isn't going to make positive changes in our profession...nurses have been sucking up and overextending themselves too long...and hospitals use our kind natures for THEIR benefit.

    JMHO. If this is 'whining' to you, Lori, then so be it...was it you came onto our "Recycling older nurses" and "Over 50 with health problems'" thread and suggest we 'stop whining' too?

    Many of us there described how the hospitals have used and abused us for 20-30 years...and after we've given our all, when we succumb to an injury...that 'last straw' to an overworked back or knees, hospitals booted us out the door and denied any workers comp coverage for injuries sustained on the job.

    I hope when younger nurses read of some of these experiences they will take pause...and consider what they are getting themselves into...and how little the hospital really cares for nurses. We are disposable, expendable commodities to them....little more than slaves. I would hope young nurses reading older nurses' posts will think, and maybe have a plan and take some steps to AVOID mistakes we old nurses have made....like sucking it up, working OT, chronic short staffed, dragging that 500# patient out of bed 'as ordered', giving 120% over 20-30 years...believing that we had no other choice.

    Older nurses' passivist behaviors have PERPETUATED the problems seen today in nursing!!! So I'm convinced a Pollyanna approach is NOT the way for nurses to behave if we want to effect change.

    Now maybe you're one of the fortunates who work in a decent hospital...there are a few left out there....but please don't hide your head in the sand about what's REALLY going on out there in the majority of hospitals across the country, and even around the world in many places.

    And Lori, what is this 'reading between the lines" stuff? Just come out and say what you mean please. We can handle it.
    This board is a great place to learn, vent, and problem solve.

    :kiss And "If I bore just ignore...hehe." :roll
  5. by   fab4fan
    Originally posted by hoolahan


    Yes, you have offended me at least. None of us are perfect. I agree nurses must act as a team, and I agree with a lot of what you said, but, we are not above needing to whine and vent just because we are nurses.

    To address a few things you said specifically...Nurses need to think outside of the box...I can't disagree with that at all, it's called critical thinking.

    Nursing is not spending your days safely nestled in your specialty niche.... Why not??? I really don't see what is wrong with a nurse wanting to excel in one particular area. Doctors do it. Nurses who have those specialty skills are in great demand now. Just b/c we choose to stay in a specialty area we are not able to think outside of the box?? Hardly!! Have you seen the ads and sign-on bonuses for expereinced OR nurses?? Upwards of $10,000. I am sorry but I have never seen an ad saying "nurse of all trades" $10,000 sign on bonus. It is not about the money that I am pointing this out, rather about the demand, a demand which meets the needs of patients! Then you say we need to support one another, and that we all have our gifts and talents. Yes, my gift is cardiac nursing. Does that mean I am not a team player b/c I wouldn't want to be pulled to L&D or PP????? I personally don't think so.

    Nursing requires an open mind and heart. Once more, this is a BB, and we vent, it does not mean we are always argumentative just b/c we don't all see things the same way. You have no idea what kind of nurse anyone here is when they are actually on the job. What about nursegoodguy, who had a pt rub HepC blood on him, he should feel OK w that b/c he should be understanding and have an open heart?? If he had come on here and said he hated working w psych pt's, I wouldn't automatically assume he had a closed heart, or that he really hated psych pt's, just that he had a bad day and needed the support of his fellow nurses. We are, above all alse, only human.

    I do indeed respect your opinion and right to voice it, as I hope you will mine.
    Thank you, hoolahan, for a compassionate and balanced response.

    We come here to vent, because, even though we all don't work in the same specialty, we can have a universal understanding of the difficulties inherent in nursing. Try blowing off steam to a family member or friend...he/she will probably have no idea what we're talking about.

    This board, and others like it, can be a safe place to fall. And I would much rather listen to someone whine than have that person be so despairing that she/he becomes depressed or even leaves the profession.

    If "whining" posts bother some, then just don't read them, or put those people on the "ignore" list.

    PS: Isn't complaining about "whiners" a sort of whining itself?
  6. by   Fgr8Out
    Originally posted by mattsmom81


    I totally agree, Nancy, as one of those nurses who slogged through 25 years of boot camp mentality with many work related injuries to show for it. Hospitals will continue to abuse us as long as we take it, and 'making nice' isn't going to make positive changes in our profession...nurses have been sucking up and overextending themselves too long...and hospitals use our kind natures for THEIR benefit.

    JMHO. If this is 'whining' to you, Lori, then so be it...was it you came onto our "Recycling older nurses" and "Over 50 with health problems'" thread and suggest we 'stop whining' too?

    Many of us there described how the hospitals have used and abused us for 20-30 years...and after we've given our all, when we succumb to an injury...that 'last straw' to an overworked back or knees, hospitals booted us out the door and denied any workers comp coverage for injuries sustained on the job.

    I hope when younger nurses read of some of these experiences they will take pause...and consider what they are getting themselves into...and how little the hospital really cares for nurses. We are disposable, expendable commodities to them....little more than slaves. I would hope young nurses reading older nurses' posts will think, and maybe have a plan and take some steps to AVOID mistakes we old nurses have made....like sucking it up, working OT, chronic short staffed, dragging that 500# patient out of bed 'as ordered', giving 120% over 20-30 years...believing that we had no other choice.

    Older nurses' passivist behaviors have PERPETUATED the problems seen today in nursing!!! So I'm convinced a Pollyanna approach is NOT the way for nurses to behave if we want to effect change.

    Now maybe you're one of the fortunates who work in a decent hospital...there are a few left out there....but please don't hide your head in the sand about what's REALLY going on out there in the majority of hospitals across the country, and even around the world in many places.

    And Lori, what is this 'reading between the lines" stuff? Just come out and say what you mean please. We can handle it.
    This board is a great place to learn, vent, and problem solve.

    :kiss And "If I bore just ignore...hehe." :roll
    Uhhhh....

    I've never accused anyone of whining... but again, people will personalize what they will.

    I've never said a thing on the threads you mentioned... again... personalization...

    If you're a slave... that's not my problem. And while I do happen to work in a pretty awesome hospital... there are still plenty of problems... and again... if you'd bother to read ALL of my post, instead of nitpicking... you'd see that I have said I DO participate in activities designed to create change... no head burying here, I assure you.

    Pollyanna had a happy ending....

    Sarcasm is lost on some of you... so I don't feel any need to "come right out and say it."

    Two choices in this world... do something about it and get over it... or don't.

    Micro... pessimistically optomistic... I LIKE it

    Peace
    Last edit by Fgr8Out on Jul 22, '02
  7. by   mattsmom81
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Fgr8Out
    [B]

    Uhhhh....

    I've never accused anyone of whining... but again, people will personalize what they will.

    Uhhh. just looking at your siggy..."No whining" with a shaking finger......
  8. by   live4today
    good going nurses! come on.......get it out.......get it all out of your sytems. venting is healthy......after the venting session.......let's put our heads and hearts together and see where we should go from the vent.....oh the vent.....oh the gee-jumpin' vent! yeah!!! :chuckle

    i just finished rereading this entire thread, and there is hope.....there is promise......there is healthy venting going on.......no whining noted on this thread.....just a need to vent one's thoughts regarding what is happening in their personal world of nursing.

    we are truly behaving as siblings usually do......this is also good at times. there does come a time when even siblings need to stop and say "i'm sorry you are hurting today. what can i say or do to help you through the hurt you are feeling."

    everyone has many valid points to this discussion, and i acknowledge them all....one by one. this type of venting.....airing personal and professional feelings.....gets the juices flowing so very early this texas morn. i feel like i'm doing aerobics just by sitting here at my computer reading this wonderful thread. just trying to shed a little light on everyone's raincloud today. carry on siblings! :kiss


    someone once said "we do not stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.......that said....play nice, play fair, play with love for one another, and do hear what one another is speaking from their own personal and professional perspective. our work environments may be different...but, we are still all in this nursing thing together.
    Last edit by live4today on Jul 28, '02
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I say put that nice opening to this thread on EVERY bulletin board and in EVERY welcome package of each nursing school to illustrate to NEW ones entering nursing what it is they are undertaking!!!! Hey, send it to your local paper editor. It was BEAUTIFULLY-written and very well-said!!!! However.......

    For those here, I just don't think we needed the lecture. I think it is appropriate to "vent" here. I think a lot of things said here are NOT said at work, at home, to families, to friends due to the desire NOT to burden those around us. Yet, how good is it for the psyche not to vent someplace? We need to take it "someplace". Why not here? I think we as nurses need a safe place to whine, vent, piss-and-moan, carry on, whatever you call it, within reason and the boundaries of common courtesy. This is a "safe" place to do so, if we leave names and particulars out of it (!).

    So, like I said, while I believe those words are very articulate and the essay apropos in some places, perhaps it was poorly-placed here. Hey, even Pollyanna must have had bad days and where do you think she would have gone to vent, were she a nurse and had internet access???? JMO.:stone
  10. by   CATHYW
    Originally posted by shay

    The difference is, I keep those thoughts to myself and give GREAT CARE, regardless of my personal feelings. However, when I come here, I don't think it's okay to be chastised and chided because I want to vent and express myself.
    Sorry if you associate personal feelings with bad nursing. I disagree.
    A lot of what you wrote is very true, but the preamble is off-putting. I agree with Shay, entirely.

    It is true that nursing is a profession AND a lifestyle. However, that does not mean that we must enjoy every minute of every day , nor should we refrain from voicing our frustrations, if that is what we feel that we need to do. Much better to say that we dislike or "hate" whatever it is in these boards than take it out on our patients!
  11. by   mattsmom81
    Originally posted by Fgr8Out


    If you're a slave... that's not my problem... Thankfully I'm not some codependet/passive aggressive sort who sloughs along playing martyr, while making work for my coworkers a living hell with my b****ing.
    I suspect many nurses DO feel like they are treated like slaves in many of today's facilities. We get conned into working extra not because we're 'martyrs', but to help each other out. And many of us feel like we're being manipulated, because we are constantly overstretched and unappreciated; and in many cases hospitals rely on the above tactics to do their daily staffing. It is WRONG, IMO. The reason behind the shortage is because more and more nurses are refusing to work under such conditions.

    Your posts suggest quite a high and mighty opinion ... or maybe I'm reading wrong......but I can't see how one can make a connection between nurses who vent on Allnurses and the:

    'Codependent/passive aggressives who slough along playing martyrs, while making coworkers' lives a living h*ll with b*tching.'

    Ya know, I haven't encountered but a few of these in 25 years...just a lot of good old nurses who are plumb worn out.

    Just a suggestion...if one feels burdened by working with people of the above judgmental and uncomplimentary description, one should address them directly about the problem.

    If this was directed towards ME, then you have crossed a line on this BB, IMO. Nobody here has insulted you.

    To quote another poster, you are entitled to your opinions, and I do hope you have the same respect for others' opinions.
  12. by   Dr. Kate
    There always have been and there always will be nurses who let the powers that be walk all over them and sya thanks for the experience, and people who refuse to buy into letting the hospital treat them poorly.
    I've been at this for more than 25 years and I learned very early on that once is a favor, twice is a habit. I observed it and learned. My mamma didn't raise a fool. She graduated from nursing school in 1941 and let me tell you no one walked all over her or treated her badly because she didn't allow it. Maybe I learned it at my mother's knee, not a bad place to learn.
  13. by   thisnurse
    the last thing i like to do at work is clean the crap from somebody's butt. but i pretend it doesnt bother me...for my pts sake.

    i dont really want to switch with you next week but you switched with me when i asked so i pretend it doesnt bother me

    i really dont want to waste my time answering the same questions this family keeps asking me over and over. i understand they are under stress so i pretend it doesnt bother me.

    im tired of putting you on the bedpan every hour. you are a large woman and its hard to move you around. i know you have a bladder infection and its not your fault so i pretend it doesnt bother me.


    and at the end of the day when i come home i come here....one of the few places in this world where i dont have to pretend anymore because my family here understands.

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