Nursing Student Unlawfully Removed from School - page 2

hello, i am or i was a nursing student until i was removed pending an appeal because i have a medical condition that requires i take a medication that is screened for in a random drug screen. i... Read More

  1. by   grannynurse FNP student
    A Nursing Department, as part of a college can impose any testing, as well as actions it may take, under the college's bylaws. The one thing that most colleges ascribe to, is it must be document in the student handbook, as well as the steps allowed with a positive test. Also the facilities utilized may impose any testing that wish, when allowing a program's students into it facility. The reason for doing this is to protect the college, facilities and patients, as well as fellow students.

    Grannynurse
  2. by   geekgolightly
    Quote from grannynurse FNP student
    A Nursing Department, as part of a college can impose any testing, as well as actions it may take, under the college's bylaws. The one thing that most colleges ascribe to, is it must be document in the student handbook, as well as the steps allowed with a positive test. Also the facilities utilized may impose any testing that wish, when allowing a program's students into it facility. The reason for doing this is to protect the college, facilities and patients, as well as fellow students.

    Grannynurse
    Unless they get federal funding and it goes against federal law. I am not sure that they can break federal law even if they do not accept federal funding. I don't know how private universities work.
  3. by   FroggysMom
    Quote from TweetyRN
    I am so sorry his has happened to you. I can identily though. What is it with the South? In the 70's, I was in Ga in a private 3 yr Diploma program. I have epilepsy and was pretty well controlled then. No seizures at work in school. They badgered me a lot but I guess I though schools did that to most students. Since I didn't quit, they wouldn't allow me to take the last quarter (one course- Med-Surg 3). They failed me my next to the last quarter. so I couldn't continue. They would not listen nor change their minds. I don't know if they even had an appeals process at that time. At that time, in a private school, in the south, Georgia, I probably had no rights. Be thankful you do have the ADA now. I was in this alone too. I had already bought my Senior pin, uniform to graduate in, and had pics made etc. I had great grades and all satisfactory clinicals the entire time. I had letters of thanks from patients and still have them too. I got a great education but nothing to show for it. The South and those old archaic ideas need to be revisited. I wish you good luck and keep putting one foot in front of the other. If I had to do it over again I would choose something else. TweetyRN

    And these same people who foster these archaic ideas are the ones who wonder how the nursing shortage will be ever be resolved. Sigh.
  4. by   RobInAlabama
    hello again,

    one thing i failed to mention about the drug screen was that soon after being admitted into the program we all were given a drug test. i am taking the same dose of medication now that i did at the time of the initial drug screen, but the first screen i gave the "drug control officer" a list of my medications and he also took each prescription bottle in his hand and looked at it. he also told me not to worry about anything because i have a prescription for the drugs. i was not contacted about this drug screen so i assumed i could trust the "dco". they are telling me now that the first screen was negative and since it was negative they said they could not contact me and question anything. if the first screen was negative how many of the other 128 students were providing a pos screen and it did not show up as a pos. the school waits until my clinical's start and gives the random drug screen and tells all of us we are not allowed to attend any clinicals until the test comes back. one of the other students was given a pos+ result and after waiting two weeks have a retest through hair sample and told she is neg-. now that she has to make up for all her missed clinicals the school said to her that they know she was using but they just did not have enough to kick her out. i think this statement was to dissuade her from complaining if she fails to attend her clinicals in the prescribed time. she works full time along with nursing school and she also has a child under two years old.

    thanks for listening,
    robert
  5. by   RobInAlabama
    Hello again,

    I went to the college associate dean today and I started the grievience procedure. At this school one can start by informally announcing that a grievence will be filed. The associate dean said the nursing school has full control over policies and their own interpertation of these policies. I let the college associate dean know I will carry this out as far as the appeal process will allow. I told her that I was not out to try to cause harm to the school but I had to stick to this because I felt my right to get the education I paid for was violated.

    Robert
  6. by   Kelly_the_Great
    Quote from RobInAlabama
    Hello again,

    I went to the college associate dean today and I started the grievience procedure. At this school one can start by informally announcing that a grievence will be filed. The associate dean said the nursing school has full control over policies and their own interpertation of these policies. I let the college associate dean know I will carry this out as far as the appeal process will allow. I told her that I was not out to try to cause harm to the school but I had to stick to this because I felt my right to get the education I paid for was violated.

    Robert
    Good for you, Robert. Please keep us posted as things progress. I'll be rooting for you (maybe you'll be the champion for all those who are successfully overcoming the despair of chronic pain).
    Last edit by Kelly_the_Great on Dec 5, '05
  7. by   TrickieTam
    Rob I hate that you're going thru this. And they wonder why we can't find GOOD nurses today!
  8. by   BurnBaby06
    Quote from RobInAlabama
    Hello again,

    I went to the college associate dean today and I started the grievience procedure. At this school one can start by informally announcing that a grievence will be filed. The associate dean said the nursing school has full control over policies and their own interpertation of these policies. I let the college associate dean know I will carry this out as far as the appeal process will allow. I told her that I was not out to try to cause harm to the school but I had to stick to this because I felt my right to get the education I paid for was violated.

    Robert

    Good for you! I wish you the best of luck and please keep us posted!!
  9. by   BurnBaby06
    Quote from Kelly_the_Great
    Is it just me or does it anyone else find it aggravating that a school of nursing can be so ignorant about control of pain?

    Excellent point!
  10. by   Lynnelle
    drug screens are in place to identify individuals who are taking drugs that have no rx. as far as i know when you test positive for a substance and there is a script in place you are covered. i do not remember being tested in school for any illegal substances because there is no reason to, you do not carry narcotic keys as a student and should be supervised in med prep and administration. so something is not right with the story or the action. what was the reason you all were tested?

  11. by   jerseyboy
    Rob,
    Unfortunately, you are collateral damage from the war on drugs. The hysteria in this country over someone taking "gasp, narcotics" has gotten out of control. The Oxycontin propaganda put out by the media and the DEA has everyone thinking that anyone who takes a narcotic pain reliever is an addict. And if someone who takes narcotics daily to function becomes physically dependent on them, so what? It is a fact that people who take narcotics everyday can function perfectly fine. And it matters not if the dose needs increased. Please visit www.painreliefnetwork.org
    It is between you and your Dr. what prescription medication that you need to take. It has nothing to do with your ability to work as a nurse. Unfortunately, the nursing profession itself promulgates the myth that anyone who needs narcotics everyday is a drug seeker and drug abuser. Just read some of the other threads about drug use.
    Also visit www.doctordeluca.com/Library/WOD/PRN _v_USA.pdf
    The pain relief network is attempting to challenge the Constitutionality of the Substance Control Act. I hope they are successful.
  12. by   Kelly_the_Great
    I am very fortunate to be attending a school of nursing that is teaching it's students there is a difference between narcotic use versus substance abuse. BIG DIFFERENCE.

    I mean for heaven's sake, isn't pain supposed to be our 5th v/s? I just think the belief that just b/c someone is taking a narcotic (and at that one that is being prescribed by a practitioner) that it equates to impaired functioning is archaic! We wouldn't say a person w/ HTN has impaired functioning b/c their B/P was being controlled w/ the use of an antihypertensive and exp. no s/s of untoward S/E from that medication, would we?

    And believe me, I am not espousing this belief b/c I am ignorant and have not been exposed to persons abusing narcotics or other substances. I have worked in pain management and in an ER and have definetly seen it (substance/drug seeking behaviors). Distinguishing the difference is where discernment and assessment comes into play.

    Robert, I can't remember if I've seen you mention it or not but get your doctor to write you a letter of competency.
  13. by   Ms.RN
    robin,

    can you find another nursing school? i'm sure there are plenty of nursing schools that are more than happy to have you. it seems like this school is too full of bs!!!

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