nursing shortage - page 4
My question is : how severe is the nursing shortage?I know of other universities and collages graduating a good number of nurses and there's still a shortage. Where are the nurses going?What are they... Read More
May 26, '02Hmm. Interesting thread.
Is there a shortage? Hell yes. A bad one. The solution? You got me. There are a whole myriad of problems plaguing the profession, from the pay to the hours to the level of respect to having to get certification after certification after certification. And don't even get me started on JCAHO.
Nursing schools, as I understand it, are slowing admissions due to the lack of instructors, not students. From my understanding (I say this because of course I could be way off base here), students are a-plenty applying to the programs, but the waiting lists are years long.
Fedupnurse brings up an interesting point about the Diploma programs being phased out, and she's for the most part right, IMO. Diploma programs, unlike ADN and BSN programs (I have a BSN, for all of those who wanna know....) are run very strictly and tightly controlled. Those students are immersed in the clinical aspect of nursing, and generally, diploma programs turn out fine nurses and it's sad that they're being phased out, especially at a time like this.
I've thought about going back to be a clinical instructor because I love having nursing students and I enjoy teaching the clinical aspect of my specialty. Fortunately for me, my husband is in a very well-paying field and we can afford a pay cut. However, this is not the case for a LOT of nurses....I think a majority of nurses are the primary breadwinners in their households. Yet another factor that contributes to the shortage. The hospitals know they have these sole breadwinner nurses by the purse strings, and they abuse them as a result because they know the nurse can't AFFORD to leave. Sad.
Just my rambling thoughts on the matter.
May 27, '02To: Cheerfuldoer Post # 28
Thanx for your suggestions and prayers.
Still working on finding around $20,000 per year to add to what grants and loans I'll have to live on.:kiss
May 27, '02Nurse Lady,
Have you looked into working 24 for 36? My health system offers PCA (nurse's aide) positions to nursing students. You work 2 12's get paid for 36 and get benefits. Really not a bad deal, I wish I had it when I was working FT and going to nursing school.
May 27, '02Nurselady, have you involved your school counselors, your church, area facilities etc. in your search for financing? Maybe there are work study programs or other innovative ideas out there... Best wishes!...where there's a will there's a way! I will pray for solutions.
Jeannie, your program sounds VERY exciting and I'll look forward to getting regular reports on it...hope you'll share with us!
Jun 4, '02There are 5 RNs working at our local Outback Steakhouse! Nursing shortage - no way. Shortage of nurses working as nurses - you bet. Why? How about pay, hours, workload, working conditions, overtime and morale. Me - still hanging in there but 1/2 done with midwifery school, yippee!!!
Jun 4, '02<Still working on finding around $20,000 per year to add to what grants and loans I'll have to live on>
Check out newly available grant/loan programs in your state. Also, for when you finish & have loans to pay back, the federal govt just passed the Nursing Education Loan Repayment Program - thanks to the efforts of politically active nurses. Applications are now being accepted:
<Nurse Education Loan Repayment Program
The Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) is now taking applications for the Nurse Education Loan Repayment Program (NELRP). ANA was instrumental in obtaining funding increases for this program which provides up to 85% of student loan debt for nurses who work in eligible facilities located in areas experiencing a shortage of nurses. The purpose of the NELRP is to assist in the recruitment and retention of professional nurses dedicated to providing health care to under served populations. HRSA is accepting FY 2002 Application now, they are due June 14. Determination of which eligible applicants will receive an award is based on a four-tier preference scale based on the availability of funds.
A person who has received a baccalaureate or associate degree in nursing, a diploma in nursing, or a graduate degree from an accredited school of nursing is eligible. More information and the application materials are available online at http://bhpr.hrsa.gov/nursing/loanrepay.htm. >
Jun 4, '02How much longer are we as nurses going to point out the inequities and WELL KNOWN PROBLEMS to other nurses, and 'cry in our beer' before we try take positive steps to solve this problem? It may not feel that we've solved anything, but even if we make ONE change or make one peson think differently, we've accomplished A LOT.
Jun 4, '02YES!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY A POSITIVE AND PROACTIVE POST!!!! Thank you, TEAM RN!!!!!...I am so sick of whining also. Time NOW is to promote nursing as a viable career for the young, and then LIVE IT OUT AS ONE! Make the newest nurses welcome, treat them with respect...and let us treat OURSELVES with respect. Let us live healthfully and take care of ourselves! Let us respect our careers enuf not to diss ourselves and nursing uselessly to others. If becoming burned out, sheesh, change areas or jobs. There are plenty of 'em. While our friends in computers and business are languishing on unemployment, we have jobs o'plenty. THERE is something to BE grateful for! Accentuate the POSITIVE!
ENUF WHINING AND BEMOANING what we wish for and time to ACT. ALL it takes is some positives ideas, proactivity, and the willingness to turn the tide a bit. If healthcare abuses are extreme, maybe it is time to point out severe deficiencies to the MEDIA! But if there are things we can solves ourselves, let's do so. WE have plenty of excuses why "we can't" now--WHAT CAN we DO????
Let the public know how important we nurses are to health care----BANG THE GONG and RATTLE SOME CAGES!!!! How many here have talked publicly to school students about the IMPORTANT THINGS YOU DO EACH DAY???? How many of you tell your kids what you do? How many volunteer in the community, showing how nurses do care????
***Do you even realize how many lives you touch unforgetably in your day-to-day work????*** Very FEW careers come close in this area!!
COME ON, let's don't SULK!!!!! Our very futures are riding on this, guys!!!!!!! Who will care for **US** when we need nurses if we don't DO SOMETHING??????
Jun 4, '02Hi from Michigan, YES there is a nursing shortage, but nothing like the one that is coming in the next 5-10 years when most of us baby boomers retire. The hospital I work in has 600 nurses and most are 40 years old and older. I will be leaving in 4 years. Who will be there when I need nursing care? I don't pretend to have all the answers, but part of the problem is, nurses don't get the respect due them. Give nurses the respect due them and you will see a big difference in the nurses coming into the hospitals.
We work lousy hours, holidays, and manditory overtime. Money is not the biggest issue, but respect is. I don't really have it so bad, but I know there are many who do.
A kind word from a patient is worth all the world to me. But without the respect of my superiors and the doctors I work with it it is like throwing a few crumbs my way and then asking why I am not happy. If we don't start showing the bedside nurse the respect she deserves there won't be and nurses to care for us.Last edit by wiegel34 on Jun 4, '02
Jun 5, '02SMILIN BLUE EYES: You're 'there', so you don't need one of my rah, rah, rah posts. You've said it so succinctly; I've put it out there be4 with my contacting the legislatures, etc, but darn, you're good. NURSING NEEDS A LOT MORE (#####) LIKE YOU. Can't we be, not only our patient's advocates, but our own ADVOCATES?
WEIGEL 34: I can't agree w/you more; if respect is gained, who would think about poor pay and other compensation, poor working conditions, and all other concens that we nurses have expressed?
About the time I retire, where will be the nurse to care for me? I'm not running into many nurses over 20 years who entered this field for the $$$, but they didn't expect that they'd have to fight a losing battle for what most people are able to take for granted: RESPECT: was it Roberta Flack who sang that song?
Jun 5, '02i think that there is a shortage of bedside nurses because #1 the pay stinks #2 staffing stinks thanks to hmo's #3 the benefits stink--garbagemen have better benes than i do! #4 the stress of the job--we are dealing with life or death here people!
i became a nurse because i wanted to help people. had i known any nurses when i was making my career choices, i may have changed my mind.
Jun 6, '02I'd like to add to this..........Where I am in Ontario new grads are finding it very difficult to find work as most places want a
nurse with experience.
Two of my cousins had to move in the States for about a year
, where they accepted 'new grads' and provided them with the training they needed.
They came back after getting their minimum experience.