Nursing, is it god's work? - page 6

The original poster is someone who doesfeel that it was a calling. I am asking that those who do NOT share the original posters sentiments please walk away from this thread and NOT use it as a forum... Read More

  1. by   Jay-Jay
    Dommurray, please reread Whitecap's post, the one you commented on:

    But, I don't understand how a person can look at the marvelous complexities of the human body without acknowledging the design of creation. Where there is design, there is a designer.


    THAT'S how evolution/creation entered into the debate. You took exception to the above statement, and I felt the need to express my opinion on the subject.

    However, on rereading your post, I realize I took things off on a tangent. You were objecting to Whitecaps [seemingly] seeing man as the 'pinnacle' of God's achievement, and not specifically to the idea that man was created. Sorry...interesting how we can take things out of context without being aware of it!
    Last edit by Jay-Jay on Aug 2, '03
  2. by   Spidey's mom
    That is what I find so fascinating about this BB and human interaction in general. How people can read something or look at something and see completely different things.

    I didn't get the impression that Whitecap thought man was the pinnacle of God's creation . . . .just created.

    I guess Microbiology cinched the argument for me . . . . the smaller you get the more complex you are. DNA . . . amazingly complex. For me it seems impossible that DNA just happened.

    I had some great conversations with my micro teacher . . .

    steph
  3. by   Jay-Jay
    I'll bet, Stevie! One thing that fascinates me is that the 'older' languages such as Latin and Greek are more complex than 'newer' ones such as English. Now, if man did evolve from apes, and originally communicated mainly by grunting, hooting, etc., wouldn't the OPPOSITE be true?

    Oops...wrong thread for this particular bit of info! For those of you who are interested, Furball has started a thread on Evolution in the Break Room. I'll copy my post to that thread.
  4. by   Tweety
    Jay-Jay perhaps it is evolution to not make things so complicated and simplify things? There does seem to be periods of advancement and then going backwards in some societies. oops wrong thread.
  5. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by stevielynn
    I guess Microbiology cinched the argument for me . . . . the smaller you get the more complex you are. DNA . . . amazingly complex. For me it seems impossible that DNA just happened.

    I had some great conversations with my micro teacher . . .

    steph
    Steph, funny that the opposite happened to me. It was my study of chemistry, physical and anatomy that did it for me. Reducing us to atoms and electrons and chemical reactions that can be logically explained. When one reduces reproduction down to the elements "the miracle of birth" doesn't seem such a miracle at all, but a series of chemical reactions, logically explained.

    But there are enough inconsistencies and "coincidences" and unexplained phenomena to keep me wondering...hmmmmm....
  6. by   Agnus
    Bottom line if we disagree and there is anything remotely religious mentioned then the rule is keep mouth shut.

    It is interesting because I was not, "offended" as some suggested. Perhaps there was some projection going on. Second, I was not arguring with anyone's religion.

    I am writing this as I was the first to speak up and voice an opinion that differed from the original poster. My point was obviously missed entirely as this is evidently too emoationally sensitive to discuss in a dispasionate manor. Too bad the forest can't be seen for the trees.

    Yes it was a lovely sentiment posted by Nevada Nurse. I 'll try to remeber to not make the mistake again of voicing disagreement with sentiment.
  7. by   Agnus
    Originally posted by WhiteCaps
    As I understand it, the original question was whether or not nursing is "God's work". The idea of "calling" is secondary.

    For those who find God to be an offensive word, I would just suggest : truth hurts.

    One does not have to be religious to be kind or compassionate.
    True.

    But, I don't understand how a person can look at the marvelous complexities of the human body without acknowledging the design of creation. Where there is design, there is a designer.

    I don't have enough faith to NOT believe!
    Please, read my original post. All honest lines of work are equally worth of being called, "God's work." Nursing does not hold some special level of virture over other work that makes it appropriate to be singled out for the title of "God's Work" No where did I express being offeneded by the word, "God."
    Last edit by Agnus on Aug 3, '03
  8. by   MickeymomRN
    Just sat here and tried to read every single post. But time restrains me from doing that. Lots of other things to do. Wanted to let that be known just in case someone thinks that I'm aggreeing or disagreeing with the way this thread is going.
    Just wanted to say that overall I see a bunch of mature persons having a great debate over a number of subjects. Great to see that the rights of freedom of speech and religion (or lack of) is being granted to ALL and not a select clique. Bravo!
    And I do agree that we can NOT shove God down someone's throats! God will work in His own way and in His time. It is these manmade religions and denominations that muddy the beautiful water that quenches eternal Life. I am not put on earth to brow beat someone with the Bible. I am here to follow His words and His examples. Love one Another! That's what I am doing. And that's what gets me thru my job somedays. I'm sure some of you have had incidences when you didn't want to deal with a patient. I try my best (not always do I succeed because I do have weaknesses) to treat them the way I would if it was I in the their shoes. And it all boils down to having compassion for our fellow man/woman. Just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading from everyone here a nice sampling of this earthly world.
  9. by   Jay-Jay
    Posted by Angus:

    I am sorry but I see too many nurses right now self promoting themselves saying nursing or a particular type of nursing being a holy calling, and making statements that, " it takes a special person," etc.

    Bottom line if we disagree and there is anything remotely religious mentioned then the rule is keep mouth shut.
    Posted by Jay-Jay:

    Here are my feelings re: debates of this type. I like what Winston Churchill once said. I'm not sure of his exact words, but they were something like this: "I may disagree with what the honourable member says, but I will defend to the death his right to say it." This, IMO, is the essence of democracy.
    Angus, you are obviously upset, and perhaps feel the mods jumped on you unfairly. I'm not trying to single you out, but do feel the need to respond to what I've quoted above.

    The first quote above is from your first post in the other thread. I have a problem with it, because NOWHERE in her post does Nevada say that being a Christian nurse makes her superior to anyone else. You are reading into it something that just isn't there. If you look at it closely, she lists all the wonderful qualities that nurses need to do their jobs. When she does that, she is referring to ALL nurses, not just Christian nurses, because she continues in the next sentence: "If we are Christian..."

    Second, what you said above re. keeping your mouth shut if you disagree with something someone has posted about religion simply isn't true. See my own quote above...those are my true feelings, which I posted earlier in this thread. However, when we feel strongly about a subject, we often post something hurtful, without realizing just how it is going to sound to the other person. Or, we let our own agendas take over, without really understanding what the other person is trying to say. I did this above, when responding to Donmurray. This can cause a lot of hurt feelings and misunderstanding.

    I guess what I'm trying to say, is, when dealing with a hot topic such as religion, we all need to be more careful of the other's feeings. Read the other person's posts carefully before posting. Don't post if you're angry, wait until you've cooled off, and had a chance to rethink what you want to say and how it sounds.

    Okay? Good advice for us all!
  10. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by Agnus
    Bottom line if we disagree and there is anything remotely religious mentioned then the rule is keep mouth shut.

    No don't keep you mouth shut if you feel the need to respectfully express yourself. But I've learned it's very difficult to disagree or argue or debate with someone who has the Word Of God on their side. Can't be done very easily. Choose your battles wisely is all I'm saying.

    But, never keep your mouth shut if you respectfully need to talk. Just be prepared for what may occurr afterwards. But from your avatar, you've survived a flame or two. LOL
  11. by   Agnus
    It was reasonable to assume a Christian basis she made NUMEROUS Christianreferences to JESUS CHRIST in stating her position. I did not criticize her for being Christian.

    Don't deside for me that I was upset. I am now.

    I criticized her for promoting nursing to being a noble calling above other lines of work.

    I attempted to get that point across once again in my last post. I am waisting my time here. Please, don't tell me not to read things into something, until you stop this yourself.

    I criticize something said by someone who mentions God and there is a huge chip on many people's shoulder.
    I say the word "Christian" as I picked up on a Christian bent and now you see a major religious war.

    Don't keep my mouth shut! you say. Ha! Take a look at what you are doing.

    For the last time I did not criticize her religion. I did not attack her for being christian. But why am I waisting my time I already stated that 2 x previously and the chip on your shoulder doesn't allow you to see that.
  12. by   WinkRN
    I needed to earn more $$ - nursing was a viable option. I took it. I was not "called". But, I have had many "spiritual" or "magical" moments since becoming a nurse. And I'm sure most of us would agree to that. God's work? Maybe, maybe not. Deeply touching and fulfilling at times - definitely. (Deeply frustrating, demanding, and causing me to wonder what the ##@ was I thinking becoming a nurse - for sure!!) Just my 2 cents.
  13. by   BBnurse34
    I would never be so pompous as to say that "nursing is God's work" raising my bratty kids and trying to turn them into decent citizens feels more like that!
    However, there are many times that I greatly feel the honor of serving others.

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