Nurses, how are you going to vote? 2012 US Presidential Election - page 34

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Nurses, Please take a second to vote below! We've polled our allnurses.com members the past 2 presidential elections and nurses got them both right! Let's see if we can predict the election results correctly for a 3rd... Read More


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    Quote from DoGoodThenGo
    IMHO the US should join Canada and whole host of other countries and stop promoting marriage as the be and end all cure for society's woes. If the idea is to provide for children and or the poor (whom in the United States are most likely to be either female or children), there are otherways of going about it.
    This makes absolutely no sense.

    Many countries have legalized same-sex marriage. This doesn't stop promoting marriage as the be and end all cure of society's woes. (??) It merely segregates Christian Biblical literalism from the governmental act of joining together in marriage.
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    Quote from dirtyhippiegirl
    This makes absolutely no sense.

    Many countries have legalized same-sex marriage. This doesn't stop promoting marriage as the be and end all cure of society's woes. (??) It merely segregates Christian Biblical literalism from the governmental act of joining together in marriage.
    If you tie greater benefits to marriage regardless of whomever at the expense of singles it does create distortions.

    In the United States, the tax code and SS are geared to benefit a 1950's type of family. That is married where usually one spouse works (the husband) and the wife remains at home either unemployed or makes so much less than her husband that the *marriage penalty* does not kick in. To compensate for this even though singles and married persons pay the same in SS payroll taxes married persons gain greater benefits.

    A spouse can collect the greater of SS payments between her husband or her own, even if she has never worked. In contrast a single woman who has worked all her life often collects less on average than her married sister. Surviving spouses also collect benefits while co-habiting/common law surviors do not. And so on and so forth.

    Canada, Sweden and many other OECD nations either ended or never had joint taxation, that is tax status based upon marital one. Women keep their given names for tax and other government benefit purposes all their lives and everyone pays taxes on their own income. Usually there is a separate part dealing with the household situation and that is where deductions for home, children and so forth come into play.

    In many of these countries the goal is less about pushing marriage but making sure children grow up in stable homes regardless.
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    Quote from BostonTerrierLoverRN

    If we're now apologizing to terrorists, and announcing to them our exit dates from countries on the verge of civilization, why don't we just add then to the national debt too, and send them some foreign aid while we're offering all the support-as well as shrinking our military in a time where our enemies are increasing there's-including nuclear?

    What is the motivation to work hard, struggle through school while working 40 hours, and achieve independence and autonomy if you can sit at home, jobless, free family healthcare, free phone, and get more money for making more dependence and dependents on an already indebted government?Which outcome makes our country government stronger, giving to it in federal taxes, or taking from it in the form of welfare (with a healthy body that could be at work)?If all those freebies don't come from taxpayers, then what would happen if we all were dependent on government for our incomes? Healthcare? Phones? Birth control? Would God and Obama open their wallets to us for being such great stewards of this Awesome and once Great country?(in that event I couldn't call it a great country.)

    How can ALL of take out more than we give, and not collapse this thing?If I'm wrong for questioning these things, the rest of the world must have been too when they downgraded our credit rating for the way OUR government was spending without a way to PAY?

    Why are people who live in socialized countries trying so hard to get out attention that social policies such as increased entitlements, stifle economic growth, raise taxes for All (who pay them), and still always fail to make a one class system? (I.e. Russia, Romania, Bulgaria, and Nazi Germany- can anyone thank of a post USSR satellite that hasn't at one time been crushed by Socialism? And boy how they thrived when they were opened up. (I.e. Slovenia)

    I think my questions are shares by many, but I understand why things are the way they are. One guy is saying I want to give you this, and I can do it by taking extra from the rich, and the other is talking about a job for you, or perhaps an education and high skilled/high paying job that you can earn(personal responsibility), which sounds easier? What are people going want, freebies, or earning a paycheck paying 15-40% for the others to get those freebies, while they wait until 65 to get any help at all from the govenment(buy actually money back they earned).

    It's obviously unpopular, but I do care. I want to earn my way, I want to help those who need it temporarily- not lifelong while we reward laziness, dependence, getting more money by having more babies=viscous cycle.

    How would this make us Great Again?"Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, give him fish everyday, better hope the fewer and fewer fishing don't get tired of having their hard caught fishes taken, or somebody is going to HAVE to learn how to get up an go a fish'n! Or Hopefully "God and Obama" will pull of the loaves and fish thing again, and surely on a daily bases I hope for those waiting on the fish!
    Some of the richest, healthiest countries in the world also have the highest tax rates & socialized medicine. Take a look at Northern/Western Europe (Denmark is a great example) Comparing the former communist bloc to the current administration's policies is a quite far-fetched. Have you ever looked into how federal discretionary spending is allocated in the U.S.? The majority of your tax $ go to defense spending, not to social or health services for the unemployed or underemployed. My mother grew up in poverty in the Deep South and her family relied on food stamps & commodities during difficult times when she was a child. Her mother had a hard time finding work. I think I'll call her & let her know she was lazy & dependent.
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    Getting back to topic...in Kenya a lady gave birth to twin boys and named them Barack Obama and Mitt Romney...what should we learn from this mother? Its time to end our differences and work together as one America, one Family.


    Kenyan Mother Names Twins Romney and Obama | TIME.com
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    Quote from BostonTerrierLoverRN
    Not even stating a position here, because inflammation won't help anything-as we know as nurses.But my rhetorical questions are simple, and they stick with me because there has been no good answer from our leadership in years. I charge the lack of reaching across the isle to BOTH parties. As I said, there is so much more we all have in common, than separates us.

    How can we spend our way into prosperity, printing money and credit we have no foreseeable way to pay back?

    How can a moral wrong be a civil right? Take that at face value.

    If the sanctity of marriage that has been naturally between one man and one women is to be done away with, why stop at same sex- there's a man in Iowa who wants to marry his Ford Mustang(how would that hurt us?)

    If we're now apologizing to terrorists, and announcing to them our exit dates from countries on the verge of civilization, why don't we just add then to the national debt too, and send them some foreign aid while we're offering all the support-as well as shrinking our military in a time where our enemies are increasing there's-including nuclear?

    What is the motivation to work hard, struggle through school while working 40 hours, and achieve independence and autonomy if you can sit at home, jobless, free family healthcare, free phone, and get more money for making more dependence and dependents on an already indebted government?Which outcome makes our country government stronger, giving to it in federal taxes, or taking from it in the form of welfare (with a healthy body that could be at work)?If all those freebies don't come from taxpayers, then what would happen if we all were dependent on government for our incomes? Healthcare? Phones? Birth control? Would God and Obama open their wallets to us for being such great stewards of this Awesome and once Great country?(in that event I couldn't call it a great country.)

    How can ALL of take out more than we give, and not collapse this thing?If I'm wrong for questioning these things, the rest of the world must have been too when they downgraded our credit rating for the way OUR government was spending without a way to PAY?

    Why are people who live in socialized countries trying so hard to get out attention that social policies such as increased entitlements, stifle economic growth, raise taxes for All (who pay them), and still always fail to make a one class system? (I.e. Russia, Romania, Bulgaria, and Nazi Germany- can anyone thank of a post USSR satellite that hasn't at one time been crushed by Socialism? And boy how they thrived when they were opened up. (I.e. Slovenia)

    I think my questions are shares by many, but I understand why things are the way they are. One guy is saying I want to give you this, and I can do it by taking extra from the rich, and the other is talking about a job for you, or perhaps an education and high skilled/high paying job that you can earn(personal responsibility), which sounds easier? What are people going want, freebies, or earning a paycheck paying 15-40% for the others to get those freebies, while they wait until 65 to get any help at all from the govenment(buy actually money back they earned).

    It's obviously unpopular, but I do care. I want to earn my way, I want to help those who need it temporarily- not lifelong while we reward laziness, dependence, getting more money by having more babies=viscous cycle.

    How would this make us Great Again?"Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, give him fish everyday, better hope the fewer and fewer fishing don't get tired of having their hard caught fishes taken, or somebody is going to HAVE to learn how to get up an go a fish'n! Or Hopefully "God and Obama" will pull of the loaves and fish thing again, and surely on a daily bases I hope for those waiting on the fish!
    Yes, the poor rich. I feel terrible that they are going to be made to contribute a little bit more. I feel terrible for single people earning over $200,000, $250,000 for couples, who are going to be paying slightly higher taxes towards the ACA. It's so unfair to take from the rich so that more people can have health care. The rich don't get any personal tax breaks, no corporation tax breaks, they get nothing handed to them and they support everyone else. Yes, the solution is personal responsibility, work harder, pull yourself up by your boot straps, work hard, struggle, and die. Absolutely, thank you for guiding us to a more moral and productive life.
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    7:22 am by Aurora77
    Quote from Butterfly6890
    To put it simply for my family: I am a diabetic who has health insurance because of Obama. If it wasn't for him, I don't know how I'd even BEGIN to afford all the hospital visits, endocrinologist visits, urgent care visits, doctor's visits, prescriptions and their refills, pump supplies, etc.


    Actually, you should be thanking the people who pay for these things for you, not the President. Unless he personally buys your supplies, he actually has nothing to do with it. He simply took one person's money and gave it to you.






    Hey mayahp22,
    I just wanted to say a sincere, "You're welcome." I think there is a pretty good chance my spouse and I pay far more in income and property taxes than any of the people being unkind to you in this thread, are very happy to do so and would pay more for you and others to have good health care. We would be thrilled for the privilege to pay as much as the French in return for health care for all as good as theirs, not to mention public transportation and wine and cheese that fine as well!

    Aurora and Bortaz, et al are welcome for the interstate system, national parks, national security, food safety and subsidies, and heck even big bird that I helped pay for for them too. I don't mind, I'm a giver like that. It's the liberal in me.
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    Quote from brian
    Nurses,



    This thread was only intended to be a poll. Not a political discussion. Feel Free to reply with your choice if you want, but please no political arguments, slams or jabs Lets keep this a clean and simple poll

    UPDATE: Nov 7th, 2012!


    Please feel free to post commentary in our: US Politics forum in AN's BreakRoom site.


    Thread closed.

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