Nurses are Pathetic!! - page 12

I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are... Read More

  1. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from TazziRN
    One of the congregation may say "Amen" but the church won't be because most of us disagree. Kanani, I'm sorry you are unhappy with nursing and I sincerely hope that you find a better place for yourself, I truly do.
    I agree. I do know that because of the hours I work (3 a.m to 3 p.m.) I did get burned out, plus I worked alot of overtime as a new nurse. I didn't know how to say no - I let guilt get to me. My schedule cut into so much of my family time - football games, family dinners, holidays. I went to work on an hours worth of sleep many time and that was not safe. This was my choice though. No one forced me to take this job.

    But this burn-out was caused by my own choices. And I made the choice to work part-time after I was pregnant with my last child at 43 and it has made a huge difference.

    I can also go somewhere else with a schedule where I don't have to get oob at 0145 . . . .it is my choice to stay here.

    The things at work that need changing - well, I have to be part of the solution and I've tried to do that.

    People will walk on you in whatever career path you choose - it is up to each of us as individuals to stand up for ourselves. No one else can do it for us.

    steph
  2. by   Gromit
    Jess, don't fret. We each have our strengths, and certainly the good outweighs the bad, or none (most? ) of us would not be doing it. Each according to his own, as they say. Have I put up with grief from other nurses or physicians? Yes, I have -though it was nearly always when I felt like I probably deserved it. But rest assured, I'm able to stand toe to toe with the best of 'em and I don't take guff from anyone unless they REALLY have a valid point -and only then if its done with respect -never EVER as a shouting match in front of others.
    And by and large thats never an issue where I work. There is ONE doc in particular that even other docs have to have to call or work with -he is renowned (sp) for his abbrasive manner -and I have hung up on him before (because he became abusive over the phone) -and called him back to get the rest of what I needed (orders). Since I work nights, and his patients are usually in pretty lousy shape (most are seniors in LTCs that he will grudgingly admit when they should have been admitted days or even a week earlier). He frequently just writes "follow previous orders" (that is not allowed on my unit. To come to OUR floor, you MUST write new orders -even if they are unchanged from wherever the patient came from -every doctor knows it, and its not a new policy) -Once when I (dreading to, as always) had to call him because he did this silliness, he STARTED with 'WHAT MUST I DO TO GET YOU NURSES TO STOP CALLING ME?!??' -I responded just as loudly -"if you would follow the procedures, and actually write your orders in a clear and concise manner, it would greatly reduce the odds of having to call you".
    He actually paused, rattled off the orders (you had better write fast) and hung up the phone. I had a trouble-free night.
    In the past, when he would rattle off too quickly for me to write, and hang up, I'd call back. I have to do what I have to do.
    Be bold -especially when you know you're right, and you will get respected for it more often than not.

    NURSING IS AN ADVENTURE. BELIEVE IT.
  3. by   Tweety
    Quote from stevielynn

    The things at work that need changing - well, I have to be part of the solution and I've tried to do that.

    steph

    I do agree with you here. But was there a moment in time when you just said "enough already, I'm so tired and burned out"?

    I think we have to allow ourselves those moments and support one another through it. Some people might need a quick kick in the butt to jump start them, but it's not always appropriate to say "get out of nursing" either. Nor is it appropriate to judge and berate the entire profession.

    A little balance in not blaming the profession totally for your problems, but venting and asking for support through it all is totally appropriate.

    Like I've said before, I have had my moments. I've made changes too, I've changed units when it's just gotten to be too much. However, just before the change when I needed support if someone would have told me "you're not cut out for nursing, why don't you just quit", I might not have liked it.
  4. by   Tweety
    Quote from vinshOt
    we are not "pathetic". the people who are pathetic are those who degrade our profession. we help save lives. the world needs us. without us. the world will never be complete. the word "pathetic" should never be associated into our profession. i strongly disagree but i respect your viewpoint.
    Please note the original poster recanted the word "pathetic" later in the thread. She used other words to describe the profession that not all people appreciate, but "pathetic" wasn't one of them.

    Thanks.
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Tweety
    I do agree with you here. But was there a moment in time when you just said "enough already, I'm so tired and burned out"?

    I think we have to allow ourselves those moments and support one another through it. Some people might need a quick kick in the butt to jump start them, but it's not always appropriate to say "get out of nursing" either. Nor is it appropriate to judge and berate the entire profession.

    A little balance in not blaming the profession totally for your problems, but venting and asking for support through it all is totally appropriate.

    Like I've said before, I have had my moments. I've made changes too, I've changed units when it's just gotten to be too much. However, just before the change when I needed support if someone would have told me "you're not cut out for nursing, why don't you just quit", I might not have liked it.
    I don't think I said "just quit" . . .but you are right, I've certainly felt like it. And the truth is if we didn't need medical insurance, I probably would quit. Not because of work but because I want to stay home with my kids.

    steph

    p.s. I'm old and my brain is under the influence of all that ammonia I used to mop the kitchen so my memory may not be that great :-)
  6. by   Tweety
    Quote from stevielynn
    I don't think I said "just quit" . . .but you are right, I've certainly felt like it. And the truth is if we didn't need medical insurance, I probably would quit. Not because of work but because I want to stay home with my kids.

    steph

    p.s. I'm old and my brain is under the influence of all that ammonia I used to mop the kitchen so my memory may not be that great :-)
    Sorry, I didn't mean that you said just quit, that was addressed to other posters. I mainly was agreeing with what you were saying about we need to be part of the solutions in our lives.

    Mainly to the "just quit nursing" folks, I was saying that sometimes we all have moments in time that don't necessarily last, but they are the bottom before we climb up.

    People still mop with ammonia?
  7. by   TazziRN
    Quote from Tweety
    Sorry, I didn't mean that you said just quit, that was addressed to other posters. I mainly was agreeing with what you were saying about we need to be part of the solutions in our lives.

    Mainly to the "just quit nursing" folks, I was saying that sometimes we all have moments in time that don't necessarily last, but they are the bottom before we climb up.

    People still mop with ammonia?
    People mop?
  8. by   nursemike
    Like others, I disagree with the initial premise, that nurses are pathetic. I do see a fair number of problems, some of which seem to be fairly unique to healthcare, and others found in any workplace. I think I do my share of complaining (see my sig line) but I'm generally quite happy being a nurse. I have few if any days that match my very best days as a carpenter--but I expect I will, as I develop my expertise (it took years to become a good carpenter, and I don't foresee nursing being a lot simpler, but I enjoy the prospect of a lifetime of learning).

    In a discussion with a couple of my more experienced fellow nurses, we agreed that the best thing about our unit was a really strong team of nurses. That includes old hands who are very sharp and very good mentors and role models, but I also include myself and some other newbies even newer than me, who may not be as strong on our skills, but are learning fast, working hard, and helping each other as well as seeking help from the pros. Some of my peers are less enchanted with our management than I am--it took a lot of support from mgmt to get me through nursing school. Any of us is capable of getting frustrated, or irritated, or overwhelmed from time to time. Some of the conversations inside the locked med room are very similar to those of my carpenter days: %$#@&*()! But in nearly every case, I think the root of the frustrations is that people really care about what they are doing--and being associated with people like that is precious.

    I must say, the only times I've ever felt abused were by patients, and some of them were unaware what they were doing. The ones who are abusive in the absence of dementia are a bit hard to take, but more often I find myself backing up a female co-worker being abused than being abused myself.

    I guess all I'm saying is that it can work. Nursing can be what it should be. I'm sorry that for many it apparently isn't. My best advice to anyone is to surround yourself with nurses who work as a team. That can mean taking steps to encourage teamwork, or it can mean finding a new place to work.

    When fully staffed, my unit runs with nine nurses. I have yet to see a problem nine nurses, working together, couldn't handle.
  9. by   lizzyberry
    I agree the term pathetic should not be used but the backstabbing in jobs does occur but it occurs at every job. I think whoever you are out there that likes to talk about people behind their backs or likes to get people against others I think that you need to change your ways! No one respects people like that! I worked with all women at my last job and all they would do is act so fake and when your back was turned they would talk about you as if it was the "cool" thing to do. What kind of person does this? THeir was this one particular girl that I worked with that was so phony and thought she was smarter and better than everyone else and she would get her "followers" at work to agree with her on everything and would treat the "underdogs" like they were trash. God help her or anyone who is like this. Im so glad Im not that way and I love those people out there who don't waist their lives on being this way! If you do do these types of things what would god think? I say God because maybe that will get ur attention to change. I just thought I would touch on the backstabbing issue. Thank you
  10. by   JessiekRN
    Hi again guys.. I wanted to thank those who addressed my post; looking back I realize nothing is as one-sided or black-and-white as it seems. I do empathize with the OP.. as I said, I am still a student and my concept of what it means to be a nurse probably at this point still means I am in for a lot of surprises and rude awakenings, even as much as I think I have seen and learned up to this point. I do just want to say this though.. I think our society has a long way to go in terms of how nurses are perceived. As much as things are changing for the better, I really think a small percentage of people realize the background nurses have, the level of responsibility nurses have, the amount of knowledge it takes, and the indespensibility of the profession. Having said that, I guess it just upsets me to see one of our own (or of the ranks I hope to soon be a part of) getting down on our profession. I think there is enough of that from the (often) ignorant, uninformed, and ungrateful public and from others who must be interacted with on a daily basis. If we don't stand up for ourselves- as individuals, as professionals, and as a profession, who will, then? Just my opinion.. but I guess the OP's post upset me because if we all let ourselves get to the OP's attitude.. healthcare would be in a very sorry state. And I know it would be very easy to let that state of mind take over. And I do understand the need to vent, most especially to others who have felt the same way and understand the experience the way those outside the profession might not.. but at the same time.. as others before me have said.. if problems arise, do something about it before it gets out of control- to allow yourself to be mistreated and then to complain about it, when there may be ways to change things, seems much too passive to me. If I'm being naive, or in for a very rude awakening when I actually have the privilege of becoming an RN, please let me know...now back to a billion pages of reading.
    Last edit by JessiekRN on Mar 15, '07
  11. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from lizzyette
    I agree the term pathetic should not be used but the backstabbing in jobs does occur but it occurs at every job. I think whoever you are out there that likes to talk about people behind their backs or likes to get people against others I think that you need to change your ways! No one respects people like that! I worked with all women at my last job and all they would do is act so fake and when your back was turned they would talk about you as if it was the "cool" thing to do. What kind of person does this? THeir was this one particular girl that I worked with that was so phony and thought she was smarter and better than everyone else and she would get her "followers" at work to agree with her on everything and would treat the "underdogs" like they were trash. God help her or anyone who is like this. Im so glad Im not that way and I love those people out there who don't waist their lives on being this way! If you do do these types of things what would god think? I say God because maybe that will get ur attention to change. I just thought I would touch on the backstabbing issue. Thank you
    This could be written by my almost 24 y.o. son who is working full-time after graduating from college. He is dismayed by how fake people are. And he works in a field completely unrelated to nursing or medicine.

    steph
  12. by   Tweety
    Quote from Jessiek
    Hi again guys.. I wanted to thank those who addressed my post; looking back I realize nothing is as one-sided or black-and-white as it seems. I do empathize with the OP.. as I said, I am still a student and my concept of what it means to be a nurse probably at this point still means I am in for a lot of surprises and rude awakenings, even as much as I think I have seen and learned up to this point. I do just want to say this though.. I think our society has a long way to go in terms of how nurses are perceived. As much as things are changing for the better, I really think a small percentage of people realize the background nurses have, the level of responsibility nurses have, the amount of knowledge it takes, and the indespensibility of the profession. Having said that, I guess it just upsets me to see one of our own (or of the ranks I hope to soon be a part of) getting down on our profession. I think there is enough of that from the (often) ignorant, uninformed, and ungrateful public and from others who must be interacted with on a daily basis. If we don't stand up for ourselves- as individuals, as professionals, and as a profession, who will, then? Just my opinion.. but I guess the OP's post upset me because if we all let ourselves get to the OP's attitude.. healthcare would be in a very sorry state. And I know it would be very easy to let that state of mind take over. And I do understand the need to vent, most especially to others who have felt the same way and understand the experience the way those outside the profession might not.. but at the same time.. as others before me have said.. if problems arise, do something about it before it gets out of control- to allow yourself to be mistreated and then to complain about it, when there may be ways to change things, seems much too passive to me. If I'm being naive, or in for a very rude awakening when I actually have the privilege of becoming an RN, please let me know...now back to a billion pages of reading.

    Good post, and I understand where you're coming from.

    Please hold on to your ideals and how you continue to be best you can be, and continue to strive to make our profession positive. We all come out of nursing school "I'll never make a med error." "I'll never let a doctor disrespect me." "I'll never get burned out because I'm strong and I love my patients and nursing is my calling from God and God would not let me down".....etc. etc. etc.

    Not only does reality hit, but 15 years down the road you're going to look back and see things differently. "Yeah I made a med error.", "I lost it one day and work and said something I should have" "It's so stressful and I had a few moments where I just had to call in a mental health day or I was going to go insane.", "I ignored a doctor when he was rude rather than confront her"......etc.

    So while you might not be in for a rude awakening, the reality of your nursing life is absolutely not going to be what you seen so far and what you think it's going to be. And when someone comes to a nursing board and says "I'm so sick of nursing and.............". You're going to know exactly what they are talking about.
  13. by   Cattitude
    Quote from tweety
    good post, and i understand where you're coming from.

    please hold on to your ideals and how you continue to be best you can be, and continue to strive to make our profession positive. we all come out of nursing school "i'll never make a med error." "i'll never let a doctor disrespect me." "i'll never get burned out because i'm strong and i love my patients and nursing is my calling from god and god would not let me down".....etc. etc. etc.

    not only does reality hit, but 15 years down the road you're going to look back and see things differently. "yeah i made a med error.", "i lost it one day and work and said something i should have" "it's so stressful and i had a few moments where i just had to call in a mental health day or i was going to go insane.", "i ignored a doctor when he was rude rather than confront her"......etc.

    so while you might not be in for a rude awakening, the reality of your nursing life is absolutely not going to be what you seen so far and what you think it's going to be. and when someone comes to a nursing board and says "i'm so sick of nursing and.............". you're going to know exactly what they are talking about.
    sing it tweety!!!
    [color=#483d8b]uh pardon the pun . seriously though great post and you sum up my feelings, i can't add a thing.
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