Nurses are Pathetic!! - page 11

I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are... Read More

  1. by   jmgrn65
    Quote from lorster
    Babtized. We are to be pitied because we allow things that totally go against the grain of our profession such as abuse. It runs rampant in nursing. Can we all agree on that?
    Not all of us allow abuse, and some of us stand up against. The nurses that gripe and do nothing are the ones that are sad.
  2. by   NeoNurseTX
    None of the nurses I know take crap from MDs or bend over backwards. Maybe the culture where you live is different, but (most) nurses here are very autonomous and outspoken and our pay is not that bad.
  3. by   psychnurse37
    I read a lot of the replies and agree, we are in it together to care for patients, whether it is in an office, a hospital, with hospice, teaching, helping the kid down the block, in a war zone or whatever.
    We really have come a long way since nursing was first a profession. We have choices, and only we can make it better or worse for ourselves and our patients.
    Sure, we could work retail, but they have their own set of problems (like one writer pointed out about WalMart).
    There are so many field choices for nurses, you may have to look around until you find the right "fit". Sure, the hospital is in it for the money, cause they'd have to close the doors if there was no profit... no money for raises, supplies, marketing, research, etc. If you look at life, most of the people are in a job for the money (to pay bills, go on vacation, save for retirement, etc)
    There are two quotes I have believed in for years:
    1. "If it's to be, it's up to me"
    2. "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right"

    Maybe one of these quotes will help you see nursing from a different perspective. You may even need to take a vacation or work break and regroup.
    I do wish you success in whatever you choose to do with the rest of your life. I hope you come back to nursing with a different perspective, because we need more nurses every day.
    We even need nurses who question 'Why we do something', or raise doubts about staffing or other patient care issues. Don't do something just because we always did it that a way, change when change is needed.
  4. by   JessiekRN
    Talk about burnout... I'm a nursing student and usually come around here for the sense of solidarity and optimism I need to get through endless amounts of work and to remind myself this will all pay off one day soon...I may have clicked on the wrong thread tonight. It may be naive of me.. and I am about one year, an N-clex, and so much more away from being an RN.. but I have to believe that the c**p that nurses put up with is most of the time outweighed by the knowledge of all the right that we give back.. sometimes that has to be enough. I am 100% sure though that not every person is cut out for this job.. and I'd like to hope that if I ever found myself feeling as bitter as the OP sounds, I would take a break- or get out- fast. I don't think there's room for that kind of attitude- I'm sorry, but I don't- and I don't think it would be fair to try to take care of any patient with that level of bitterness and hostility. Just my humble opinion.
    Last edit by JessiekRN on Mar 14, '07
  5. by   luvmy3kids
    Quote from Praiser
    Sorry Trudy, but what is ROFLMBO ???
    thanks !

    Sorry to "butt" in... I'm just a "pre-nursing" student... who still gets excited at even the thought of becoming a nurse... I know I have a lot to learn.....

    But I do know that ROFLMBO stands for ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY BUTT OFF... hehe

    I'm good for something
    Last edit by luvmy3kids on Mar 14, '07
  6. by   BBFRN
    Quote from Jessiek
    Talk about burnout... I'm a nursing student and usually come around here for the sense of solidarity and optimism I need to get through endless amounts of work and to remind myself this will all pay off one day soon...I may have clicked on the wrong thread tonight. It may be naive of me.. and I am about one year, an N-clex, and so much more away from being an RN.. but I have to believe that the c**p that nurses put up with is most of the time outweighed by the knowledge of all the right that we give back.. sometimes that has to be enough. I am 100% sure though that not every person is cut out for this job.. and I'd like to hope that if I ever found myself feeling as bitter as the OP sounds, I would take a break- or get out- fast. I don't think there's room for that kind of attitude- I'm sorry, but I don't- and I don't think it would be fair to try to take care of any patient with that level of bitterness and hostility. Just my humble opinion.
    Jessie,

    In Lorster's defense, she's been a nurse for 18 years. She wouldn't have lasted that long if she wasn't cut out for the job. If you read the links that Karen posted here about burnout, you'll find some great info on how to avoid it. I think that's the key. Know the warning signs, and make changes accordingly or pro-actively. I know that when I suffered burnout, it was because I wouldn't say no to that extra patient, and I wouldn't ask for help when I was drowning. I guess I thought I was supernurse...lol. I was doing a disservice to my patients and myself.
    As nurses, we are constantly learning about how to better take care of ourselves and others. I think when we forget to take care of ourselves, we can start to feel powerless and trapped before we know it. That is probably the biggest red flag. You either have to take back your power or get out of the trap. Staying and taking back your power is harder, but it can be so worth it.
    Not every nurse finds themselves in this fork in the road, but many of us do. I wouldn't let it scare you away from nursing, but just be aware that it's out there so you can avoid it for yourself.
  7. by   Tweety
    Quote from Jessiek
    Talk about burnout... I'm a nursing student and usually come around here for the sense of solidarity and optimism I need to get through endless amounts of work and to remind myself this will all pay off one day soon...I may have clicked on the wrong thread tonight. It may be naive of me.. and I am about one year, an N-clex, and so much more away from being an RN.. but I have to believe that the c**p that nurses put up with is most of the time outweighed by the knowledge of all the right that we give back.. sometimes that has to be enough. I am 100% sure though that not every person is cut out for this job.. and I'd like to hope that if I ever found myself feeling as bitter as the OP sounds, I would take a break- or get out- fast. I don't think there's room for that kind of attitude- I'm sorry, but I don't- and I don't think it would be fair to try to take care of any patient with that level of bitterness and hostility. Just my humble opinion.



    Overall I feel that your right. We have to stop to think sometimes that the good outweighs the bad.

    Your entitled to you opinion, no need to proceed it with an "I'm sorry but I don't." I'm not going to insult you with a "just wait until you're a nurse, you don't know what you're talking about".

    However, as a veteran med-surg nurse in the trenches I'm going to have to disagree with you. There are times in many good nurses lives, those that are positive and dedicated to this profession, that definately belond in this profession, that we are going to have our days, weeks or months. We are going to get close to burnout. We're going to be stressed. We're going to be in a fog and we're going to have our "moments". We're going to hang in a bad situation and try to maintain the positive attitudes, but even the best of us break under certain circumstances.

    I've had my burnout moments, when my rose-colored glasses are covered with black. When I've had them I've come to this forum and vented about my stress. I'm glad for the most part I've received understanding and not "get out of nursing if you can't handle it" type of responses.

    I'm sorry that my reality can be upsetting to students and others considering the profession, but that's my reality.

    Those moments pass. I collect myself. I get positive responses from Allnurses.com and I move on to help others get through the same type of things.

    There are people that get so burned out they can't handle it and need to get out of the profession for sure. Absolutely not everyone is cut out for it. The original poster has many years experience and perhaps doesn't need to be called a student "bitter" and to get out. If someone is on a cliff, they don't always need to be told to jump.
  8. by   zoniekat
    The truth hurts doesn't it. She's right about a lot of it. We are weak. We don't have a lot of power. We do skip our breaks and stay on our floors and are understaffed and do have patients lives in our hands every single day! We do take abuse. We work under fascist rule (JCAHO). Were exposed to all sorts of pathogens and workplace risks. I'm not even going to go over the god-awful documentation we have to do. I feel these things all the time. I'm never going to get over them. But....

    My patients and some of my co-workers make it work for me. I don't feel like my pay is so bad either. I do feel respected as a person for my profession. I focus on these things. I love making people feel better. That's my reward.
  9. by   vinshOt
    we are not "pathetic". the people who are pathetic are those who degrade our profession. we help save lives. the world needs us. without us. the world will never be complete. the word "pathetic" should never be associated into our profession. i strongly disagree but i respect your viewpoint.
  10. by   Cattitude
    Quote from baptized_by_fire
    jessie,

    as nurses, we are constantly learning about how to better take care of ourselves and others. i think when we forget to take care of ourselves, we can start to feel powerless and trapped before we know it. that is probably the biggest red flag. you either have to take back your power or get out of the trap. staying and taking back your power is harder, but it can be so worth it.
    .
    very well said. many of us have times in our careers where we are not taking care of us. how then can we take good care of others?
    [color=#483d8b]eventually we may become bitter. recognizing this before anything detrimental happens is key. i love what you said about taking back your power, just love it!

    Quote from tweety
    there are people that get so burned out they can't handle it and need to get out of the profession for sure. absolutely not everyone is cut out for it. the original poster has many years experience and perhaps doesn't need to be called a student "bitter" and to get out. if someone is on a cliff, they don't always need to be told to jump.
    i just clipped your post tweety for length but i agree with most of it. i'm not going to be snarky about this but will just mention to the students and newbs that posted to "get out" to maybe sit back and think for a minute. think what tweety said above. also think how you would react if a patient vented to you about their job. would you jumpt the gun and tell them to just get out? would you react the exact same way?
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    [color=#483d8b]or maybe , just maybe, would you think about your answer a bit more? i know the op seemed kind of strong and even a bit rough. but frustration will do that to you. always try and picture yourself walking in someone's shoes. it's hard but try.
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  11. by   PeachyERNurse
    [quote=ben123;2107090]
    Quote from vamedic4
    I'm sorry you feel that way lorster, but you are surely not the only one who feels this way...I assure you. I don't think nurses are pathetic, rather that they are "angels". They take abuse and turn the other cheek, they care for the ill/injured and they do it while accepting little in the way of pay and respect. That's an angel in my book.:spin:

    First, you are an idiot if you think you are an angel because you take abuse.

    I agree with almost everything the OP stated. All those nurses who don't take their lunches and breaks and go hours on end without going to the restroom have no one to blame but themselves. People treat you like crap because you will let them. If a doc cops an attitude you just tell them if they have a problem with your care talk to the charge and walk away.

    Nursing is not a calling, you are not an angle this and that. It is a job. Thats it. When I am at work I take care of my patients to the best of my ability, when I clock out i am all about my family. I will never allow anyone to treat me like crap or go without luch. Many nurses need to get a back bone and stand up for themself.

    Ben

    Right on Ben! I'm not a nurse yet (I graduate in December), but I can't imagine ever going without a pee or lunch break. Ben is right; if you don't take your breaks, you have no one to blame but YOU. I work at one hospital as a PCT, and do my clinicals at another. Both are Ortho Med-Surg floors. At the hospital where I do my clinicals, the nurses cover each other for these much needed breaks. And sometimes they have 8 patients each, but they make it work somehow. It's not the same at the hospital where I work as a PCT. Those nurses complain non stop about how they didn't get to pee or eat. I don't understand it. If gotta pee, you gotta pee. Same thing with food. Nurses to to work together and start standing up for themselves and stop allowing themselves to be abused. It is SO true that others will treat you as good or badly as you allow them to treat you.
  12. by   Kanani_Ikike
    Quote from lorster
    I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are physically, mentally and emotionally abused by doctors, managers, patients, and families. We work ungodly hours, skip our much needed breaks without pay for months and years on end. And this goes on and on and on. The stories are endless. Then we are all shocked when a nurse who has had enough finally cracks and administers 32 vials of Dilantin and kills a patient. Is this so different than any other human being who finally after years and years of this abuse, just cannot take it anymore? I think not. When are we all going to stand up and demand decent pay, decent working conditions, and respect? Well, the answer is never because we are not a solid group. We have no autonomy or solidarity because we are a weak profession. We pit one against another. We ***** and backstab. We deserve all the abuse that is dealt to us. In nursing school, we are taught to make beds, empty bedpans and clean dentures. Instead we should get vast lessons in how to deal with some of the real issues that face us today. We are understaffed, overworked, pushed to the breaking point. But yet, the martyr instinct kicks in, we get up and go back and endure more of the same. When is enough, enough? When are we all going to come together and and start shouting about our working conditions and wages? We make less than a crew on road construction or a plumber. And look what we do. We are responsible for peoples lives. I went to work down the road as my current employer is union and I felt that maybe the non union hospital down the road would be a better place. Well, it is not, it is worse. 13 nurses have quit in the 6 weeks I have worked there. I won't renew my contract. It is just too unsafe. The hospital is all about profit at the expense of some great nurses. They even charge for an individual bandaid. It is ridiculous. I have decided that as soon as I can afford to, I'm getting out. I will no longer be a member of a profession that eats its young while at the same time, taking unwarrented abuse from unapreciative doctors that we bend over backwards for. Its not about making a living any more, it is about retaining some self respect, free of abuse by doctors, managers and other nurses who have nothing better to do than put a knife in your back the minute you turn around. At least at walmart I won't have to worry about making a life threatening mistake because I'm overwhelmed by what is required of me each day.
    And can the church say AMEN!!!! You better preach then!!!! I agree with you so much right now that I am looking at this like: "did I write this?".

    I am sick of it, too. There are times when I want to stay because I feel that there is a part of me that really wants to care for people. But the way we are treated by every other department, doctors, patients' family members and even the patients themselves, I feel like being a nurse is an uphill battle. I am tired of it. And like you said, it wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have people's lives at stake. And yet, the simpleton patients are not grateful for what we give to keep them alive day to day. And instead of saying "take care of them" I am saying "keep them alive". Because in the real world of hospital/nursing home politics, that's all you're doing. You are doing nothing more than that. You don't have time to really take care of these people. The other day, my mother was telling me about a friend that was getting a new job. And when she told me how much she was going to be making, I admit, i got jealous. She would be bringing home just about as much as I do, if not more. Because if you take into account that a lot of my check in overtime, i really don't make that much without it. And THAT'S A @@@@ SHAME. It makes me sick to my stomach. They could call us all Nurse Atlas because the weight of the world sits on our soldiers during those dreadful 8 and 12 hours shifts. It's not right to put so much on one person. And we are the only ones that get the blame for EVERYTHING when something goes wrong. I don't care who did it, blame the nurse!!!

    All I know is that my health is suffering from extreme stress and I deserve to be healthy just like the people I am trying to restore to their pre-hospitilzation state. I've been off from work for a while and I feel great. But I honestly believe that after a traumatizing job experience at a local facility, that I have PTSD. I think nurses should be able to get at least partial disability because we become so psychologically sick from our jobs at times.

    Well, if you go, just know, you won't be the only one. If this non-nursing job comes through for me, I'll be "one less, one less, one less". I wish you well and hope you find something that pays well and doesn't slowly kill you in the process.
  13. by   TazziRN
    One of the congregation may say "Amen" but the church won't be because most of us disagree. Kanani, I'm sorry you are unhappy with nursing and I sincerely hope that you find a better place for yourself, I truly do.

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