Nurses are Not Doctors - page 45

An article appeared today in the New York Times as a followup to a bill passed in New York granting nurse practitioners the right to provide primary care without the oversight of a physician. The... Read More

  1. by   tyvin
    Quote from wtbcrna
    A DNP is a clinical doctorate the PhD is a research doctorate. A DNP does not require a dissertation. There is a general confusion about the degrees. That is why I pointed it out.
    I had never heard of a DNP until I read these posts. I read up on it and it looks like they have a long ways to go to be called doctor. They do not bear the required body of work that gives them that right. Why in the world do "they" want to be called doctor: I couldn't find anything on that except this thread on this site...do you have a DNP and think you should be called doctor?
  2. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from tyvin
    I had never heard of a DNP until I read these posts. I read up on it and it looks like they have a long ways to go to be called doctor. They do not bear the required body of work that gives them that right. Why in the world do "they" want to be called doctor: I couldn't find anything on that except this thread on this site...do you have a DNP and think you should be called doctor?
    That would be incorrect anyone that receives a Doctorate can be called doctor it doesn't matter if it is in fine arts, calligraphy, an MD, DO, PT, Pharm D, or a DNP.

    Physicians do not own the title of doctor.

    Why would anyone that has earned a doctorate want to use the title Doctor?.

    I have a Doctorate of Nurse Anesthesia Practice (DNAP), and I am a PhD nursing student. I am also in the USAF so it is more common for me to use my rank and last name than academic title, but I think it is important for anyone that wants to use the title doctor that has earned it to be allowed to utilize it in a clear manner.

    In other words I do not see a problem with someone introducing themselves as Dr. X your nurse or Dr. Z your pharmacists etc.
  3. by   ®Nurse
    Physicians, and ONLY Physicians have earned the right to call themselves Physicians. That is the title that they can legally lay claim to. Anyone who earns a Doctorate, be in PharmD, DNP, DNSc, PhD, etc, can call themselves a Doctor.
  4. by   Gluteus
    Quote from wtbcrna
    That would be incorrect anyone that receives a Doctorate can be called doctor it doesn't matter if it is in fine arts, calligraphy, an MD, DO, PT, Pharm D, or a DNP.

    Physicians do not own the title of doctor.

    Why would anyone that has earned a doctorate want to use the title Doctor?.

    I have a Doctorate of Nurse Anesthesia Practice (DNAP), and I am a PhD nursing student. I am also in the USAF so it is more common for me to use my rank and last name than academic title, but I think it is important for anyone that wants to use the title doctor that has earned it to be allowed to utilize it in a clear manner.

    In other words I do not see a problem with someone introducing themselves as Dr. X your nurse or Dr. Z your pharmacists etc.
    I have not seen anyone call a DNP 'doctor' in a healthcare setting... Have you?
  5. by   ®Nurse
    Quote from Gluteus
    I have not seen anyone call a DNP 'doctor' in a healthcare setting... Have you?
    The proverbial "cow" that the AMA is having over the possibility that it won't be a big deal for a non-physician doctorate to refer to oneself as "Doctor" is pretty much keeping that from being mainstream at the moment.

    It's kind of hard to get a doctorate in nursing and be ignorant of social mores in your individual work setting. This is probably why you do not hear "doctor nurse" bandied about.
  6. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from Gluteus
    I have not seen anyone call a DNP 'doctor' in a healthcare setting... Have you?
    Yes, and no one had to have their underwear removed with a crowbar. There wasn't any spontaneous patient deaths or patients that had to be admitted to the psych ward because of all the "confusion" either.
  7. by   BlueDevil, DNP
    Yes, I hear it every day, since that is what people call me, and yes, I admit my own patients to the hospital. It never occurred to me that some NPs might not.

    Whatchu talkin bout Willis?
  8. by   firstinfamily
    I have seen NPs work harder than the MDs and not get reimbursed from the MD. They get dumped on a lot when they are under a MD's practice. They should be able to function independently from the MD and charge for their services. They are not pretending to be MDs but they are a separate professional category who can function at a MD level. What about the tasks only nurses use to do like taking vital signs, doing blood sugars etc. We have relinquished those to nurse techs---see how the hierarchy of nursing has changed, and the PA's have also emerged through out the years as medical care has become more complex and in demand with the current demographics. When the ACA was passed/created it was done with the intentions that NPs would be able to provide clinics for those who have been underserved, so really the purpose of the NPs is being fulfilled by the passage of the ACA. The government knew what it was doing at the time!!?

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