Nurses and smoking - page 17

Do you think it is ok if a nurse or a doctor smokes? Because i know when i go to the doctors office with my boyfriend and he tells him that he smokes that he gos on and on of how he shouldnt be... Read More

  1. by   Corvette Guy
    Quote from momedsurglpn
    I just want to say that I really dont want to be a nurse anymore!!! For 20 yrs I have taken care of my patients with intelligence, compassion* and have always been nonjudgmental * as I was taught in school!!! How in the ---- do all of you call yourselves "a nurse"!! There are lots of things people do that I believe is not right or proper or whatever but I am there to help them, period!!!! People try to commit suicide and I feel that's wrong, but I am able to put my feelings aside to help them--because thats what a nurse does!!!! PERIOD...... WE ARE NOT HEALTH ZEALOTS OR HEALTH NAZIS... and I for one strongly believe we do not need to put ourselves up on some PEDESTAL that we are better than others because we "don't smoke", we "don't eat too much", we "excercise", we "are so superior" !!!! Some people really don't want to live forever and I for one support their "choice". Wonderful world, right?
    momedsurglpn - I truly regret you don't want to be a nurse anymore. I also regret some of your jaded comments. I consider myself an advocate for wellness, yet never implied that I'm better than others because I choose to not fill my lungs with cigarette carcinogens [can double risk for CAD], not fill my arteries with Big Mac induced hyperlipidemia, or choose not to have a sedentary life-style [can double risk for CAD]. I would like to live a long healthy life, not just live long. My Dad [RIP], died at the age of 48 yrs old, and I was only 10 yrs old. He always had a cigarette in his mouth, and when not at work [never missed wk d/t alcohol] had a beer can in his hand, plus he ate mostly fried foods. You have not right [well, it is a free country] to judge me, or my motives w/o knowing me first... thank you very much.

    BTW, I never refuse to give nursing care to anyone, no matter there life-style, eating habits, or whatever.

  2. by   Nurse Ratched
    Thanks for those words, Corvette Guy. We're awfully harsh on each other in regards to this topic. As always, I ask everyone to refrain from personal attacks. Disagreement is not grounds to imply that another poster is stupid, a bad nurse, or a bad person.
  3. by   ladygray92
    I am a last-semester nursing student (non-smoker). I don't judge those that do smoke in the nursing profession. I just playfully joke that "That's ok, I'll take care of you too, when you get COPD!!!" It gets a laugh, but I hope it makes them think.

    Ladygray92
  4. by   Liliana98
    Do as I say and not as I do! sounds familiar to any of you? he he... I think if a person wants to smoke they are free to do so as long as it's legal. Doctors and nurses are included. We take decisions for ourselves and I would not like someone telling me what to do (I do not smoke by the way). I would expect a doctor or a nurse to tell me about the hazards of smoking -- this is part of their job to share the knowledge and educate the public so that the public can make an educated decision.
  5. by   RN(MH)
    Its a personal choice. It doesnt matter what job or profession a person has, we are adults and make an informed choice. Sometimes the only time I have had a break, is a 5 min smoke break, and have never had anyone complain, not even the non smokers. Maybe thats because when the nurse in charge, if I have noticed that a staff member is a bit stressed or has been very busy, I have always made sure they take a short break, and maybe go and make themselves a drink. I have always tried to get to know my colleauges, so that if they have any problems, either with work or at home, then I can judge if they need a break, or they could come to me and ask. This then works both ways, as when I was having problems coleagues would often say to me to go and have a quick smoke break and they would call me if I was needed. There was never any problem with "I am not looking after the patients while you have a smoke". Everyone worked well together.
  6. by   Alexsys
    I think that is a personal choice. I cant judge a smoker, but I will not promote it either
  7. by   purplegrape
    Almost all the hospitals and their primary care clinics have gone to smoke-free campuses in my area. You can't even smoke across the street or you'll get written up.
  8. by   kgkarma
    Quote from purplegrape
    Almost all the hospitals and their primary care clinics have gone to smoke-free campuses in my area. You can't even smoke across the street or you'll get written up.
    Heads up for you smokers. There are 3 young ladies in my clinical group that smoke and that is their choice. They take their smoke breaks together and when they come back on the floor they smell just like smoke. Even though I don't say anything, I get as far away from them as possible since I have allergies and just can't stand the smell. I don't know what people can do about it but just wanted to let you know that once you've had your smoke break, perhaps you should wait a few additional minutes before going into your patient's room. Because someone doesn't say anything, doesn't been that they're not offended.
  9. by   brendamyheart
    Quote from ocankhe
    To those of you who continue to smoke and use tobacco, thanks for the future job security.
    You are welcome.
  10. by   brendamyheart
    Quote from RN(MH)
    Its a personal choice. It doesnt matter what job or profession a person has, we are adults and make an informed choice. Sometimes the only time I have had a break, is a 5 min smoke break, and have never had anyone complain, not even the non smokers. Maybe thats because when the nurse in charge, if I have noticed that a staff member is a bit stressed or has been very busy, I have always made sure they take a short break, and maybe go and make themselves a drink. I have always tried to get to know my colleauges, so that if they have any problems, either with work or at home, then I can judge if they need a break, or they could come to me and ask. This then works both ways, as when I was having problems coleagues would often say to me to go and have a quick smoke break and they would call me if I was needed. There was never any problem with "I am not looking after the patients while you have a smoke". Everyone worked well together.
    You are very kind in this message.:angel2: :angel2:
  11. by   brendamyheart
    Quote from froghair
    second hand smoke

    january 17, 2006
    by frank seltzer (mowee)
    ok it has finally come down to this. a couple in boston could be evicted from their apartment for smoking. a boston housing court jury so ruled on june 10th. their ruling came despite the lease allowed for smoking. the jury found that the smoking (about a pack of cigarettes a day for each of them) violated a more general clause banning any nuisance; any offensive noise, odor or fumes; or any hazard to health. alas the jury never said which it was but my guess is odor. we're in the era of legislating or lawyering comfort.
    i just wish this type of jury was around when i used to regularly get trapped in elevators with several mary kay ladies. their perfumes were obviously applied with an industrial sprayer and they all conflicted making a totally noxious smell. but i digress.
    second hand smoke, or ets (environmental tobacco smoke) has been branded a killer. nevermind, that actual first hand smoke may not be the killer the cdc and surgeon general say. (remember just this year the cdc had to revise the number of deaths from obesity from 365-thousand downward to around 25,000 as published by the american medical association.)
    in regards to smoking, the cdc says about 442,000 americans died each year from smoking during the years 1995-1999 (link). however, i defy anyone to find one death certificate which lists smoking as the cause of death. the cdc says it is heart disease, cancer etc. but that isn't the whole list. cervical cancer is attributed to smoking by the american cancer society (link). unfortunately, last year a vaccine for cervical cancer was tested successfully. seems the cancer is mostly the result of a virus (link). whoops. which is it a virus or smoking? actually a doctor friend has this theory of linkage...women who smoke tend to drink more. women who drink more are more sexually active. more sexually active women tend to get the std virus. viola.
    further, when considering smoking, the cdc says have you ever smoked? well when the surgeon general made his initial report on smoking in the 60s...what percentage of the population answered that question in the affirmative (think ww2, lucky strike goes to war, cigarettes on almost every tv show.) might have skewed the stats? probably. another way to view the stats is that if a smoker is obese, has high cholesterol, diabetes and heart problems, never exercises and dies of a heart attack, the government classifies it as a smoking attributed death. (again though the death certificate will say heart attack.)
    ok so how about ets?
    well most of the data on ets comes from an epa study commissioned during the clinton administration, after it classified ets as a "group a carcinogen" in 1993. most of the research was shoddy and in fact a federal judge threw it out in 1998. the judge said "epa publicly committed to a conclusion before research had begun; excluded industry by violating the act's procedural requirements; adjusted established procedure and scientific norms to validate the agency's public conclusion..." in other words, it made up the results. the world health organization did a study finding no statistically significant risk in ets. in the who report it showed that there were relative risks of 1.16 and 1.17 or a 16 and 17 percent increase of getting lung cancer from ets. but what was lost in the data was perspective. the national cancer institute's own guidelines say "relative risks of less than 2 [i.e. a 100% increase] are considered small...such increases may be due to chance, statistical bias or effects of confounding factors that are sometimes not evident." to put this in perspective, the relative risk for getting lung cancer from drinking whole milk is 2.4. that is 140 percentor 8 times more than from second hand smoke.
    there are plenty of chemicals in cigarette smoke...not nearly as many in cigars. but these chemicals exist in many everyday products. cigarettes produce up to 700 micrograms of formaldehyde in sidestream smoke (coming off the cigarette). but gas ranges release 20,000 to 40,000 micrograms per hour! further, formaldehyde is in carpets, coat fabrics, wood bonding and finishing products.. the normal stuff in buildings is around 40-50 micrograms of formaldehyde per cubic meter. ets rarely exceeds 40 micrograms per cubic meter. a "safe" level is formaldehyde is 1500 micrograms per cubic meter, or about 37 times more than cigarettes produce.
    but ets is serious right? well osha started studying the issue in 1994, trying to set an acceptable level of ets. it gave up in 2001. that was also the year that the oak ridge national laboratory did a comparison of a non-smoking restaurant and the non smoking section of a smoking tavern. the result? the levels were virtually identical. but how can there be smoke in a non smoking restaurant? cooking gives off smoke. when oak ridge in 2000 tested saliva of restaurant workers in smoking restaurants, they found their levels of nicotine and other substances considerably lower than proposed osha standards. maybe that's why osha gave up.
    there is a lot of material on smoking and second hand smoke at forces.org also at www.davehitt.com/facts/. dave runs through the science of these studies and gives you more studies.
    so why is there this rage for ets? well think of it...if you could smoke everywhere, then you wouldn't need nicotrol, zyban and other stop smoking programs and drugs. there is a profit motive at work. drug companies (johnson and johnson for one) are funding the initiatives. so are the american cancer society, american lung association and american heart association. they raise money to do it. the more money they raise...well you get the idea.
    finally there is this. on november 11, 2003, the university of houston headlined a release..."an apple a day may keep the doctor away...but so may a cigarette." the findings were based on the fact that stress is among america's top health problems and nicotine has a beneficial effect on memory, especially stress-induced memory impairment. the researcher says this could help with parkinsons and alzheimers.


    this is quiet long but i would like comment from those that think smoking should be banned and is the "cause" of increased cancer rates
    good info!!
  12. by   brendamyheart
    Quote from Cameron67
    I see your point, but I disaagree with something, a nonsmoker doesn't have the right to HARASS a smoker, but they do have the right to either move away from the smoker or to ask the smoker to put it out or to please move away. As a fairly new smoker I understand the not wanting to be around the smoke, I always ask the other person if they mind I smoke or I just wait.
    I am a smoker. Have quit more than I can count. If I go to a restaurant that has a smoking section and with a person that does not smoke I ask for the non smoking section. When I am at a break outside, I never smoke when someone is eating. I stand away. I respect the non-smokers rights. I am aware of the health hazards of smoking. I hope to quit again sometime, but not now. It is a crutch. Stress would kill me before smoking would!!!! I respect the responses here. I wish I did not smoke. I know all the health hazards!!
  13. by   brendamyheart
    Quote from thatoneguy
    hey bro nice to see ya again. however i could not disagree with you more. read this Search LungUSA - American Lung Association site pretty comparable right. and that was done in 96. there has been a big push to do another but lots of resistance and was suppost to come out this past december. 10 years now bet those numbers have gone up can see it in the hospitals around my area. so you car drivers effect me, after all "In 1996, transportation sources were responsible for 47% of pollutant emissions" so by your rational "I have every right to annoy continually you, or any other driver that causes me to involuntarily invite carcinogens into my system!"
    so i am guessing here, most everyone has the right annoy anyone just about anytime.
    i say if its big issue for those in your town, state, ban it in public places period or get the hospital to ban it during work hours, like with alochol. if its not an issue and its allowed deal with it why annoy anyone? move to a area or hospital that does not allow it. lobby the right people to change if you want but dont infringe on their rigths, it is illegal to harass not smoke.
    You have made a great point!!!!

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