Nurse Impersonators - page 6

:( Am I the only one who resents the "nurse impersonators" who abound in the health care field? Everyone who works at a doctor's office or in a hospital wears scrubs and seems to pass... Read More

  1. by   dawngloves
    This post has made me think of the Baptist churches in my area that hires "nurses" to help worshipers that are overcome with heat, emotion. They are just lay folk in white, hat and all, that carry smelling salts! Also available for funerals and revival meetings.:roll
  2. by   JMP
    In Ontario, Canada the title "nurse" is a protected title. ONLY RN's and RPN's can use this title.
    I work in an ICU setting and like the rest of the hospital, RN's can wear anything, ward clerks wear a certain colour, personal care assistants wear a certain colour and housekeeping wear a certain colour. Our hospital is VERY strict about wearing name tags- with photos that clearly state who you are and WHAT you are.

    We do not use RPN's (LVN- LPN's) at our hospital, so all nurses are RN's and it is very clear WHO IS WHO.

    Patients like it. RN's love it.
  3. by   pandora
    Seems to me you've got a working solution in Ontario. So simple really. Maybe we should be doing the same thing over here in England.
  4. by   Q.
    Originally posted by Huganurse
    Can anyone tell me why an MA would make $19.00/hr.? This is more than alot of nurses make. If the Docs don't want to pay for the nurse, then why are they paying the MA's more than they pay a nurse???? Most RN's that work in Drs offices make about $15-16.00/hr. in my area. Where's the justice??? The more I read this thread, the more frustrated I get. By the way, they are paying CNA's in my area more than what some of the RN's make. Again, where is the justice??? Maybe since they are getting paid almost as much and in many cases more than the nurse, they think they are a nurse or on the same level as a nurse?
    I agree. In MY clinic and in MY area, the LPNs make $11.00/hour and the RNs make $16.00/hour.

    Why is an MA being paid more? That goes against logic.
  5. by   thisnurse
    i have a feeling that she should hold on to that job. dont think another one that pays like that is gonna come along any time soon.
  6. by   stevie b
    Thank You to NurseKaren for the links to those articles.I am currently an LPN,however I am not satisfied with the limitations, so I am in school for my RN.I worked very hard for my LPN, and am working even harder now. The difference between the depth of information offered in each program is mind boggling,but in the end I feel I will be able to make a much more accurate assessment of my Pts.I know you all remember how hard it was, and how dedicated you had to be to be successful. So, it really does chap my big ol' behind when those who are not nurses dont correct the mistake when they are assumed to be nurses.
  7. by   RNIAM
    This type of thread just p#sses me off...sorry but now I feel better. Noone should intentionally impersonate another. It just should not happen. A few points to make. All people and all work is important, no matter what you do. How do you know that the housekeeper standing next to you doesn't have a BSN in ABC's? She/he may just be getting away from it all. My point is this,never judge a book by its cover. Yes you may have 2-4-8 years of education in nursing and that would of course make you more knowlegable in nursing, but certainly not more knowlegable in everything.I noted alot of insecurity as I was reading thses posts. How sad to be that afraid for your jobs? I wonder if those DR's all sit around and back stab those terrible PA's. Here is a good one. I wonder how many housekeeper get p'od at those lousy nurses who pick up after themselves? Do they run around screaming "that nurse is out for my job," or better yet "that nurse is impersonating a house keeper?"
    I think all RN's should go back to an all white dress system of identification, if it makes you feel better.
    I am a busy PCT going into nursing school next fall. I never pretend to be nurse, nor would I. I have however been called a nurse by many people. I have tried to explain,when I could that I was not a nurse but let me tell you all something. When your in a situation where the pateint is lying on the floor, is bleeding, or another emergency situation is at hand,the last thing I am thinking about is "Hi my name is Rhona and I will be your PCT tonight." Aways remember you get what you ask for. If you want it clear that you do so much more, then please do not ask me to take a foley out, put a dressing on, monitor a breathing rate for that matter . All techs with little or no trainning definitly should not be taking vital signs,This is a major DX proceedure that all or most nurses are leaving in the hands of untrained people? Am I right?PCT's in a hospital setting should be their for direct patient care,ie turn/position, feed, dress, bath& toilet. That is it. If you want the distinction be prepared to do the work. I imagine alot here would like thier cake and eat it too. Sorry to go off like this but I get so tired of this I am better than you are thing. It makes me ill. sorry for this being a PCT post but I just had to do it.
  8. by   RNIAM
    sorry for all the typos at the end I believe I was saying. I am better than you are crap
  9. by   Jessy_CA26
    I can be criminally prosecuted for giving a drug which harms a patient
    So can MA's .. We are schooled heavily in the legalities of being a MA.. If we administer the wrong medication, do the wrong dosage calculations or do a crappy job of charting we can and most likely will go to jail. If a patient dies from a wrongful medication that was given we spend the rest of our lives behind bars.

    You might want to check out the AAMA (American Assosiation of Medical Assistants) web site for more of legal issues.

    Is that what it is? I mean do you think MA's can screw up and get away with it? No, we are in the same boat as you. And that is drilled heavily into us in school and on our externships.

    The only thing that we are not responsible for is writing out prescriptions.. Yes we write out the perscription but the doctor approves and signs it. If we write the wrong perscription it falls on the doctor because he/she was supposed to check it over. In tha case Physicians are responsible for the actions of their employees.


    BTW in MA school our uniforms were all white and we had to have hats.. And the Surgen I work for likes us to wear all white
    Last edit by Jessy_CA26 on Feb 6, '02
  10. by   Jessy_CA26
    BTW .. Im at the low end of the pay totum pole. The other MA that has been there longer gets 22.00/hour. Why you ask? Because we do a helluva lot of medical coding/billing and insurance. And yes we close the books.. so bookeeping is also in there.. Inventory control and drug ordering.. etc etc. We are Administrative Assistance as well as everything else..


    In my office there are two MA's and one RN.. The RN is a sweet heart and makes damn good money (she is the one who is pushing me into the program) I asked her what she makes an hour and she was kind enough to share she is up to 27.00/hour
  11. by   Q.
    rhona1-

    Please allow me to refer you to my above post. This topic is NOT about YOU, or about CNAs. This is about NON-nurses who identify or intentionally MISLEAD others into thinking they are a NURSE - and all the issues that that action raises. It's not about NON nurses "after my job" It's about NON nurses misleading the public and potentially harming our profession when a NON nurse gives advice.

    Case in point:

    A friend of mine knew a 17 year old girl who was placed on birth control pills via a community clinic. After 2 months, the girl noticed hematuria and blurred vision. After much prompting, called the clinic to report her symptoms. The call was triaged by a MA who identified herself as a nurse when the 17 year asked to speak to one. The MA dismissed the girl's symptoms as a possible UTI, and to drink cranberry juice. Didn't make the connection of the pills, the blurred vision, the hematuria. The call ended.
    1 week later, the girl collapsed. Was taken to the hospital where her BP was 300/210. She was in renal failure from severe HTN as a result of the pills she was on. She is blind and on dialysis.

    The point??? The girl should have spoken to a nurse who is able to triage and potentially save this girl's vision. They are suing and filing felony charges against the MA for impersonation. Unfortunately, the MA has no license to lose so currently the MA is able to work wherever she wants until she is proven guilty. There are no regulations or governing body (such as the ANA, or State Nursing Board) in which to regulate her practice.

    IMPERSONATION IS DANGEROUS. That is the point. It is not about who is better than who - it is about who is LICENSED and who is not. Get it????
  12. by   Jessy_CA26
    NurseKaren maybe you should go back and re-read.. I said C-MA to LVN not LPN

    Yes, you can petition the board all the info is here

    http://www.bvnpt.ca.gov/


    Since the MA program pretty much mirrors the LVN program if you have two years of field experince and all your CEU units they will grant you a LVN licence.
    Last edit by Jessy_CA26 on Feb 6, '02
  13. by   Q.
    Originally posted by Jessy_CA26
    BTW .. Im at the low end of the pay totum pole. The other MA that has been there longer gets 22.00/hour. Why you ask? Because we do a helluva lot of medical coding/billing and insurance. And yes we close the books.. so bookeeping is also in there.. Inventory control and drug ordering.. etc etc. We are Administrative Assistance as well as everything else..


    In my office there are two MA's and one RN.. The RN is a sweet heart and makes damn good money (she is the one who is pushing me into the program) I asked her what she makes an hour and she was kind enough to share she is up to 27.00/hour
    Jessy that is nice - but this is about people who claim they are nurse when they are not one. This is not about what MAs do versus what RNs do.

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