Nurse Impersonators - page 19

:( Am I the only one who resents the "nurse impersonators" who abound in the health care field? Everyone who works at a doctor's office or in a hospital wears scrubs and seems to pass... Read More

  1. by   pebbles
    I agree, skm-nursiepooh!
    I think if we all treated each other with common professional respect, this would simply be an issue of management practices, and not a "fight" between those of us who have to work together, like it or not!
  2. by   biscuit_007
    I was hired away from a hospital, while i was still an LPN, by a local pediatrition, to work in his office. At this time i was stusying to be a Rn and working full time also. Imagine my surprise when i was introduced to my new supervisor, An MA. While she was very competent, I really did have a problem reporting to someone that was not in the legal chain of responsibilty. Not only was the MA the lead person in the practice but she was referred to as "my nurse" by the MD. When I left the Job, after about 4 months, I told the MD that i did have a problem working under someone that was less educated and experienced than i. The problem is that MA's are sometimes more academicaly prepared than LPN's.
    Around here MA's have associate degrees while LPN's have diploma's from technical schools. Even with the "higher" educational level though, they are much less responsible for their own actions. I spoke to the Board of Nursing and was told that regardless of position we hold in the practice that i as the only nurse had the ultimate responsibilty for any and all nursing type care delivered while i was working there.
    How Crappy is that???????
  3. by   jmg1
    I am a new nurse but I understand that frustration when others are called nurses and are never corrected.. I do think that scubs are comfortable and I enjoy being able to wear them.. now going back to all White? no thanks I think that should stay for students I hate white uniforms but I worked in a hospital that had different colors for each profession in the hospital and when the patient was admitted a sheet of paper was given to them explaining the color code of the hospital Green was for LPNs and RNs Fusha (pink) was for RTs and Purple was for the CNAs Dietary wore white shirts and black pants...... I think the system worked well this could be an option in other hospitals? who knows

    One day all will be able to decipher nurses from CNAs I hope
  4. by   BeachNurse
    I think that some people are forgetting that, aside from a clinical setting, CMA's or NA's or MA's could not function in anything resembling a nurse's role. I am a clinical research coordinator, and there is no way that I can picture the MA who works in our affiliated clinic doing the type of work that I do. Try to imagine, for a moment, a nurse's aide functioning in the position as a research coordinator, nurse educator, or any type of nurse consultant... It just wouldn't happen. That is because our college education involves more than learning physical tasks. It is all about MENTAL tasks and critical thinking.

    When I worked in a Peds Dr's office temping one summer, I overheard the MA introduce herself as a nurse. It really DID burn me up. Nursing impersonation IS illegal and should not be condoned or encouraged by the physicians.
  5. by   Flynnstone
    Originally posted by jmg1
    I am a new nurse but I understand that frustration when others are called nurses and are never corrected.. I do think that scubs are comfortable and I enjoy being able to wear them.. now going back to all White? no thanks I think that should stay for students I hate white uniforms but I worked in a hospital that had different colors for each profession in the hospital and when the patient was admitted a sheet of paper was given to them explaining the color code of the hospital Green was for LPNs and RNs Fusha (pink) was for RTs and Purple was for the CNAs Dietary wore white shirts and black pants...... I think the system worked well this could be an option in other hospitals? who knows

    One day all will be able to decipher nurses from CNAs I hope
    That color coded system is great! When I started hospital nursing in '95 everyone from dietary, CNA's, LPN and RN wore white. The patients were always confused. Since then they have made some changes but they do not explain the uniform "code".
  6. by   Flynnstone
    Originally posted by NancyRN
    I think the number one reason nurses have lost respect is the FAKE NURSES who give out bad information! I hear it all the time how "that nurse didn't know anything"...
    I whole heartedly agree!!! However, even sadder than fake nurses giving out bad info is REAL NURSES giving out bad info. It happens. I have had the fortune and misfortune to work with some of the best and some of the worst of our profession. Prior to leaving my last position I was disheartend to be told by a colleague (RN) that she would not follow my nursing order because "the doctor didn't order it"!!!!!! (Not the reason I left)
    Another problem that plagues us is that in the past, nurses were not ( I believe) taught to be independent practitioners. This was something that was stressed when I went to school in the early 90's. We have our own licenses to protect. We must use our own judgement. Just because "Doctor said" doesn't mean it is written in stone. There are still nurses out there who do not use their own judgement, they just follow orders. I have been accused of doctor bashing by those nurses but I'm not. Don't misunderstand me - please. I consider docs colleagues. We enhance each others work. They can't work the way I do and I can't work the way they do but together we can do a damn good job. I judge each person based on their performance, not their title. If you don't have my respect as a professional it is because you lost it, not because I didn't give it to you.
    One last comment and then I'll shut up! The media portrayal of nurses has improved over the decades but it still needs ALOT to be desired. Three cheers to Johnson and Johnson!!!
  7. by   ShandyLynnRN
    In the hospital that I work in, we are getting ready to implement a new "dress code" on our unit. All Liscenced personell will wear a White lab coat or vest over their scrubs with the appropriate Title on it. As for the other issue where everyone seems to be upset about NA's being mistaken for Nurses....I have been on that side of nursing, and all I can say is that we are all "nurses" regardless of our title. NA's Work very hard and usually interact with the patients more than RN's or LPN's do. Not tosay that it isnt wrong for patients and families to think that they are liscenced, but I personaly dont feel upset when an aide is called a nurse. They are providing nursing care as well as I am, just not liscenced care. I am very proud of my title, and all the hard work that it took to get me here, but I also commend the unliscensed personell that work just as hard as I do. As far as MA's having RN's "work for them", well, that is just plain wrong. I wouldnt want to be a pastient at that office. I think all "nurses" need to be recognized for their title, and their respective responsibilities as well. Name tags and simply identifying yourself can help. But if I am referred to as a "nurse" just the same as my NA being referred to as a "nurse" I dont get all bent out of shape about it. Just my opinion.
    Shandy
  8. by   Q.
    Nurse is a protected title.

    Until it isn't, I think it behooves our profession to uphold what a Professional Nurse is.

    People who work very hard are not nurses. NURSES are nurses.
  9. by   NancyRN
    Well said, Suzy K.:kiss
  10. by   bellehill
    My hospital has had nurses wearing white for a little over a year. Every nurse fought the change and is still fighting it, however it is so much easier for the patients to be able to identify who the nurse is (we hate to admit it). The aides are allowed to wear the colored scrubs and dietary/housekeeping have a specific department color.

    In response to the "imposter nurse", we too have aides who consider themselves to be nurses and who will continually tell the nurse what to do for the patient. Nothing is more frustrating than listening to someone talk to you about something they know nothing about. They aren't the ones who are responsible if something should happen, they aren't the ones who have to talk to the doctor, they aren't responsible for coordinating care. I too worked very hard for my RN title.
  11. by   betts
    - Understanding written sentences and paragraphs in work related documents - Listening to what other people are saying and asking questions as appropriate - Communicating effectively with others in writing as indicated by the needs of the audience - Talking to others to effectively convey information - Using mathematics to solve problems - Using scientific methods to solve problems - Using logic and analysis to identify the strengths and weaknesses of different approaches - Working with new material or information to grasp its implications - Using multiple approaches when learning or teaching new things - Assessing how well one is doing when learning or doing something - Being aware of others' reactions and understanding why they react the way they do - Adjusting actions in relation to others' actions - Persuading others to approach things differently - Bringing others together and trying to reconcile differences - Teaching others how to do something -
    Actively looking for ways to help people - Identifying the nature of problems - Knowing how to find information and identifying essential information - Finding ways to structure or classify multiple pieces of information - Reorganizing information to get a better approach to problems or tasks - Generating a number of different approaches to problems - Evaluating the likely success of an idea in relation to the demands of the situation - Developing approaches for implementing an idea - Observing and evaluating the outcomes of a problem solution to identify lessons learned or redirect efforts - Analyzing needs and product requirements to create a design - Generating or adapting equipment and technology to serve user needs - Determining the kind of tools and equipment needed to do a job - Installing equipment, machines, wiring, or programs to meet specifications - Conducting tests to determine whether equipment, software, or procedures are operating as expected - Watching gauges, dials, or other indicators to make sure a machine is working properly - Controlling operations of equipment or systems - Inspecting and evaluating the quality of products - Performing routine maintenance and determining when and what kind of maintenance is needed - Determining what is causing an operating error and deciding what to do about it - Repairing machines or systems using the needed tools - Developing an image of how a system should work under ideal conditions - Determining when important changes have occurred in a system or are likely to occur - Determining the long-term outcomes of a change in operations - Identifying the things that must be changed to achieve a goal - Weighing the relative costs and benefits of a potential action - Looking at many indicators of system performance, taking into account their accuracy - Managing one's own time and the time of others - Determining how money will be spent to get the work done, and accounting for these expenditures - Obtaining and seeing to the appropriate use of equipment, facilities, and materials needed to do certain work - Motivating, developing, and directing people as they work, identifying the best people for the job...

    Job Ability:
    - The ability to listen to and understand information and ideas presented through spoken words and sentences - The ability to read and understand information and ideas presented in writing - The ability to communicate information and ideas in speaking so others will understand - The ability to communicate information and ideas in writing so others will understand - The ability to come up with a number of ideas about a given topic. It concerns the number of ideas produced and not the quality, correctness, or creativity of the ideas. - The ability to come up with unusual or clever ideas about a given topic or situation, or to develop creative ways to solve a problem - The ability to tell when something is wrong or is likely to go wrong. It does not involve solving the problem, only recognizing there is a problem. - The ability to apply general rules to specific problems to come up with logical answers. It involves deciding if an answer makes sense. - The ability to combine separate pieces of information, or specific answers to problems, to form general rules or conclusions. It includes coming up with a logical explanation for why a series of seemingly unrelated events occur together. - The ability to correctly follow a given rule or set of rules in order to arrange things or actions in a certain order. The things or actions can include numbers, letters, words, pictures, procedures, sentences, and mathematical or logical operations. - The ability to produce many rules so that each rule tells how to group (or combine) a set of things in a different way. - The ability to understand and organize a problem and then to select a mathematical method or formula to solve the problem - The ability to add, subtract, multiply, or divide quickly and correctly - The ability to remember information such as words, numbers, pictures, and procedures - The ability to quickly make sense of information that seems to be without meaning or organization. It involves quickly combining and organizing different pieces of information into a meaningful pattern - The ability to identify or detect a known pattern (a figure, object, word, or sound) that is hidden in other distracting material - The ability to quickly and accurately compare letters, numbers, objects, pictures, or patterns. The things to be compared may be presented at the same time or one after the other. This ability also includes comparing a presented object with a remembered object - The ability to know one's location in relation to the environment, or to know where other objects are in relation to one's self - The ability to imagine how something will look after it is moved around or when its parts are moved or rearranged - The ability to concentrate and not be distracted while performing a task over a period of time - The ability to efficiently shift back and forth between two or more activities or sources of information (such as speech, sounds, touch, or other sources) - The ability to keep the hand and arm steady while making an arm movement or while holding the arm and hand in one position - The ability to quickly make coordinated movements of one hand, a hand together with its arm, or two hands to grasp, manipulate, or assemble objects - The ability to make precisely coordinated movements of the fingers of one or both hands to grasp, manipulate, or assemble very small objects - The ability to quickly and repeatedly make precise adjustments in moving the controls of a machine or vehicle to exact positions - The ability to coordinate movements of two or more limbs together (for example, two arms, two legs, or one leg and one arm) while sitting, standing, or lying down. It does not involve performing the activities while the body is in motion - The ability to choose quickly and correctly between two or more movements in response to two or more signals (lights, sounds, pictures, etc.). It includes the speed with which the correct response is started with the hand, foot, or other body parts - The ability to time the adjustments of a movement or equipment control in anticipation of changes in the speed and/or direction of a continuously moving object or scene - The ability to quickly respond (with the hand, finger, or foot) to one signal (sound, light, picture, etc.) when it appears - The ability to make fast, simple, repeated movements of the fingers, hands, and wrists - The ability to quickly move the arms or legs - The ability to exert maximum muscle force to lift, push, pull, or carry objects - The ability to use short bursts of muscle force to propel oneself (as in jumping or sprinting), or to throw an object - The ability to exert muscle force repeatedly or continuously over time. This involves muscular endurance and resistance to muscle fatigue - The ability to use one's abdominal and lower back muscles to support part of the body repeatedly or continuously over time without 'giving out' or fatiguing - The ability to exert one's self physically over long periods of time without getting winded or out of breath - The ability to bend, stretch, twist, or reach out with the body, arms, and/or legs - The ability to quickly and repeatedly bend, stretch, twist, or reach out with the body, arms, and/or legs - The ability to coordinate the movement of the arms, legs, and torso together in activities where the whole body is in motion - The ability to keep or regain one's body balance or stay upright when in an unstable position - The ability to see details of objects at a close range (within a few feet of the observer) - The ability to see details at a distance - The ability to match or detect differences between colors, including shades of color and brightness - The ability to see under low light conditions - The ability to see objects or movement of objects to one's side when the eyes are focused forward - The ability to judge which of several objects is closer or farther away from the observer, or to judge the distance between an object and the observer - The ability to see objects in the presence of glare or bright lighting - The ability to detect or tell the difference between sounds that vary over broad ranges of pitch and loudness - The ability to focus on a single source of auditory (hearing) information in the presence of other distracting sounds - The ability to tell the direction from which a sound originated - The ability to identify and understand the speech of another person - The ability to speak clearly so that it is understandable to a listener.
  12. by   betts
    Rules Of Netiquette
    What is Netiquette? Simply stated, it's network etiquette -- that is, the etiquette of cyberspace. And "etiquette" means "the forms required by good breeding or prescribed by authority to be required in social or official life." In other words, Netiquette is a set of rules for behaving properly online.

    When you enter any new culture -- and cyberspace has its own culture -- you're liable to commit a few social blunders. You might offend people without meaning to. Or you might misunderstand what others say and take offense when it's not intended. To make matters worse, something about cyberspace makes it easy to forget that you're interacting with other real people -- not just ASCII characters on a screen, but live human characters.

    So, partly as a result of forgetting that people online are still real, and partly because they don't know the conventions, well-meaning cybernauts, especially new ones, make all kinds of mistakes.
    Rule 1: Remember the person on the other end is human!
    Rule 2: Adhere to the same standards of behavior online that you follow in real life.
    Rule 3: Know where you are in cyberspace.
    Rule 4: Respect other people's time and bandwidth!
    Rule 5: Make yourself look good online.
    Rule 6: Share expert knowledge.
    Rule 7: Help keep flame wars under control!
    Rule 8: Respect other people's privacy.
    Rule 9: Don't abuse your power!
    Rule 10: Be forgiving of other people's mistakes.
  13. by   Maula, RN
    Well I have the opposite problem. Whenever I work agency I am mistaken for the nursing assistant. I have had the nurses approach me with my name badge reading RN and delegate to me to take so and so to the bathroom or to xray or hand me the nursing assistants assignment when I hit the floor. I told my mother about this after it had happened the umpteenth time and she said the same thing happens to her We have deduced that because we are African American it is automatically assumed that we are the assistants and not the nurse :roll Sometimes nursing can be so closed minded. I think if we pay attention to name tags and correct those who claim to be nurses, we can avoid confusing our patients who usually assumes that everyone is a nurse. Not the the LPN, ADN, BSN isn't confusing enough. I had to stop telling my patients that I was in school because it scares them that their nurse is in school getting a Bachelor's Degree. And I refuse to have my nametag read BSN. I woild no doubt have to explain that whole dilemma. RN is enough.

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