non-pitting edema and rating
- 0Dec 3, '10 by clearblue3Hi all!
I am a first semester nursing student and in my first clinical. From my understanding "non-pitting" edema was not rated. Is that correct? My instructor has taken points off twice for not rating my "non-pitting" edema. At first I thought she just didn't see the NON part, but when I mentioned it she said that there is 1-4 for non-pitting and 1-4 for pitting. No one I talk to seems to know what she is talking about. I thought the 1-4 stood for how much time it took for the pitting to go away after the skin was pressed on?? I just don't want to keep getting it wrong! Thanks much!!
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- 1Dec 3, '10 by chareI have always described edema as either pitting or non-pitting, and used a numeric scale to describe the depth. The facility I presently work at uses the following numeric scale to describe the depth of the depression:
1+: 0 - 0.25 inchYou might also review the facility's policies and procedures where you are doing clinicals as they might address this in either a documentation or assessment policy.
2+: 0.25 - 0.5 inch
3+: 0.5 - 1 inch
4+: >1 inch
- 1Dec 3, '10 by Liss RNHey Marisa, I am no expert, I am a new grad RN. But, what I was taught is that only pitting edema is rated 1-4 based on depth of the indentation made in mm. So, +1 pitting would be 2mm indentation, +2 would be 4 mm indentation, +3 would be 6 mm indentation, and +4 would be 8 mm or more. As far as I know, non-pitting edema is not rated 1-4. Hope you find an answer to this from someone more experienced than I, otherwise, I would definitely discuss this further with your instructor! Best of luck to you.
- 0Dec 4, '10 by danegerousQuote from marisao13Although I can't speak for Chare, I'm pretty sure that IS what she means. Pitting edema is rated to establish the degree of the edema. 4+ Pitting edema, for instance indicates a far greater fluid overload than 1+ pitting and definitely non-pitting edema.Hi Chare! So are you saying that non-pitting wouldn't be rated because it wouldn't have any depth? I wasn't sure what you meant. Thanks for your replies everyone!! You would think that something like rating edema would be more straight forward, wouldn't you :-)
The 1-4 portion of the scale is ONLY for pitting edema. That would be like being asked to document the number of teeth after you already documented the baby as toothless...
As a matter of fact, documenting a pitting rating when you documented non-pitting would raise a red flag if the file ever went to court. It would display a lack of knowledge, either for the care of the patient as a whole, or at least for the charting system. Both will raise enough doubt in your credibility to become an issue.
I would directly address the issue with your instructor. I'm pretty sure Jarvis even states the exact same rationale for the pitting edema ratings.
- 0Dec 4, '10 by clearblue3Thanks for the replies! That is what I thought! I was so shocked when she said to rate the non-pitting edema. So what would you all do about it? I don't want to keep getting marked off for it, and I don't want to just make something up to make her happy either. I am not sure what I could say to her that wouldn't offend her. She may be the type that isn't that receptive to a student insinuating that she is wrong. Any advice??
- 0Dec 4, '10 by clearblue3Hi Dane,
I just saw your suggestion about the Jarvis. I did look that up and you are correct. I guess I might just ask her about the edema under the pretense that I am not sure how the 1-4 rating system works for the non-pitting and could she explain it so I do it right on this next assignment. Then I will probably bring up the fact that Jarvis says rating is specifically for non-pitting. Hopefully she will be willing to look into it and find that the rating system is just for pitting as well. thanks again for the advice!