No Nursing Shortage At The Present Time - pg.24 | allnurses

No Nursing Shortage At The Present Time - page 24

I am assured that some of you are reading this and saying to yourselves, "Duh! This topic is old hat. We already know there's a glut of nurses in many parts of the country, so why are you writing... Read More

  1. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
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    Quote from TheCommuter
    I agree. As more individuals continue to jump into the nursing bandwagon without the corresponding demand in local employment markets, the value of possessing a nursing degree begins to erode.
    Problem is the shouting from every house top and media outlet that healthcare is one of the few if only growth areas of employment in the USA ATM. So now every person who has been downsized, terminated, laid off, retired and or otherwise in need of a *stable* career heads to nursing school. To this add high school grads and others entering college looking for again what they consider a *safe* career upon graduation. Oh and don't forget any of the above who actually want to become nurses out of genuine desire for helping mankind.

    While it would make sense to slow down the rate of new graduates to suit demand that isn't possible. Nursing programs once shut down cannot be easily restarted. We learned this from the 1970's through 1980's when programs began shutting down left and right due to low demand. Along came the 1990's and then there was a "nursing shortage" but a even more dire shortage of programs and or qualified instructors. To remedy this we've seen an increase of new for profit programs with questionable sucess rates in preparing new grads.

    As for the numbers of nurses in any given local population that shouldn't worry anyone as to the amount that are actually working and or active in seeking such. In practice anyone whom has graduated from a program and passed the boards is entitled to be called a "nurse" regardless if they will ever see the inside of a facility.
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  2. Visit  nursegirl2001 profile page
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    I agree with a previous poster that schools advertising should be sanctioned for false advertisement and closed down until the supply is less than the demand. It is crooked practice for Universities to be the ones to gain while the students end up unemployable. Additionally, many new nursing grads enter the profession with an entitled attitude and want all of the day jobs. They have to realize that other seasoned and experienced nurses have earned those positions and that they are going to have to be willing to work any shift. Hey we have all been there! From what I have read, community nursing is the one way to go. Work home health. It is great experience!! Nursing is nursing no matter who the patients are. Work in a nursing home to get experience. It all helps I can guarantee you that. Do not feel like you are 'too good or too educated to wipe butt' as an RN. It is all part of the job. Be willing to start anywhere! Unfortunately administrations are not providing RNs with the help needed in patient care like they should so we are overloaded with patient responsibilities. However, due to the fact that CNAs/UAPs cannot take doctors orders and give medications, these healthcare workers are desperately needed so that the RN can do his or her duties. We cannot do it all.......But I pray that nurses start being utilized because they are needed.....big business just doesn't want to pay for our very valuable services.....
  3. Visit  Not_A_Hat_Person profile page
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    Quote from nursegirl2001
    I agree with a previous poster that schools advertising should be sanctioned for false advertisement and closed down until the supply is less than the demand. It is crooked practice for Universities to be the ones to gain while the students end up unemployable. Additionally, many new nursing grads enter the profession with an entitled attitude and want all of the day jobs. They have to realize that other seasoned and experienced nurses have earned those positions and that they are going to have to be willing to work any shift. Hey we have all been there! From what I have read, community nursing is the one way to go. Work home health. It is great experience!! Nursing is nursing no matter who the patients are. Work in a nursing home to get experience. It all helps I can guarantee you that. Do not feel like you are 'too good or too educated to wipe butt' as an RN. It is all part of the job. Be willing to start anywhere!
    Entitlement is NOT the reason new grads can't find jobs.

    When I was an unemployed new grad (2008), I was willing to start anywhere, at any facility, on any shift. Home Health wanted a year of experience. Nursing homes wanted a year of experience, and most were train wrecks. Hospitals said straight out "no new grads." I was turned down by 1-star nursing homes (I checked). I finally found my first job 10 months after graduation. Some new grads were still unemployed 2 years after graduation.
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  4. Visit  nursegirl2001 profile page
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    Sometimes entitlement IS THE REASON new grads don't get jobs. I was replying to another poster's comment. This may not be the reason all of the time but sometimes it is......
  5. Visit  DizzyLizzyNurse profile page
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    Quote from nursegirl2001
    I agree with a previous poster that schools advertising should be sanctioned for false advertisement and closed down until the supply is less than the demand. It is crooked practice for Universities to be the ones to gain while the students end up unemployable. Additionally, many new nursing grads enter the profession with an entitled attitude and want all of the day jobs. They have to realize that other seasoned and experienced nurses have earned those positions and that they are going to have to be willing to work any shift. Hey we have all been there! From what I have read, community nursing is the one way to go. Work home health. It is great experience!! Nursing is nursing no matter who the patients are. Work in a nursing home to get experience. It all helps I can guarantee you that. Do not feel like you are 'too good or too educated to wipe butt' as an RN. It is all part of the job. Be willing to start anywhere! Unfortunately administrations are not providing RNs with the help needed in patient care like they should so we are overloaded with patient responsibilities. However, due to the fact that CNAs/UAPs cannot take doctors orders and give medications, these healthcare workers are desperately needed so that the RN can do his or her duties. We cannot do it all.......But I pray that nurses start being utilized because they are needed.....big business just doesn't want to pay for our very valuable services.....

    Home health requires experience, at least around me. I worked as a CNA for almost 3 years, so no I didn't believe I was too good to wipe butt. I also worked as an LPN for 8 years prior to finishing RN school. I couldn't get hired at my own facility that sent me to school and paid for the whole thing because in their 13 facilities they didn't have a single opening for an RN!!! Then when they needed me PRN they wanted me to be the RN supervisor of the whole building while being the LPN on the floor (the ONLY nurse on a floor of 43 residents. You know do both jobs for $1.50 extra an hour. I had to do it for a while because there was NOTHING else. The Catholic Health system owns 4 out of 6 area hospitals...and they had 1 job they would offer a new grad. The others wanted BSN, which I did not have. I wasn't going to leave my current LTC position that was FT to make less in another LTC place and only be able to get PT. I finally secured a FT LTC position in a job connected to a hospital and it closed before I was done with orientation....so I got bumped. Into a position I had no business being in, alone on a floor that I had NO training for. Luckily I got bumped again, this time in a PT hospital position. I can't even get FT.

    I've put in years in healthcare and I couldn't get an RN job for 9 months, just to get bumped continuously. This is reality. No entitlement here. And I got pretty sick of hearing I "must" be doing something wrong to have such a hard time finding a job.
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  6. Visit  TheCommuter profile page
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    Quote from Not_A_Hat_Person
    Entitlement is NOT the reason new grads can't find jobs.
    Quote from nursegirl2001
    Sometimes entitlement IS THE REASON new grads don't get jobs.
    The reasons for the inability of a new grad to land a job are too numerous to list.

    The new grad who lives in a geographic area that is saturated with too many nurses and too few jobs will face an uphill battle trying to secure employment, even in settings such as nursing homes, home health, private duty, and clinics. Let's face it: less new grad programs have been available since the economic downturn of '08. This current economic situation has not treated many recent college graduates well, and nursing has not been immune.

    On the other hand, I have met the occasional self-entitled new grad who refuses to work any job other than their 'dream spot' in the ER, L&D, ICU, pediatrics, trauma, etc. They will hold out for a year or two, refuse to work in specialties that they deem 'undesirable,' and then complain that they have been unemployed for more than one year. Beggars cannot be choosers in this day and age.

    Therefore, it goes both ways. . .
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  7. Visit  nursegirl2001 profile page
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    I wish that you guys would stop sending me these stupid replies. Many of the grads do have entitled attitudes although maybe not all. Such is my experience. Those of you who do not don't bother to reply.....
  8. Visit  turnforthenurseRN profile page
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    Studies have shown that it is more financially feasible to hire more nurses so that we have adequate staffing levels vs. risking the liability of NOT having enough staff and causing problems; yet, nurses all over the place are understaffed and overworked. I work on a progressive care unit where the ratio is supposed to be 1:4. We do have some very stable patients that are just there for observation and are prepping to go to for a stress or a cath the next day....but we also have some pretty unstable patients. We get patients with drips, some we titrate. Regardless, these patients need more monitoring which is why they are admitted to our floor. But because of staffing and the hospital budget, we're starting to take 5-6 patients each.

    But it's not just our floor. It's the whole hospital. Med-surg ratios are typically 1:6 but now they are finding themselves taking up to 8 or 9 patients...ICU nurses will be taking 3 patients instead of the 1:2, sometimes all three of those patients are on vents!

    And again, the shortage comes from the lack of staff! And instead of hiring new nurses, they start floating us all over. I got floated to postpartum a couple of weeks ago and I am a PCU nurse!!! I was doing OB-GYN assessments. I haven't stepped foot on that type of unit since my OB-GYN rotation in nursing school which was like 3-4 years ago. The nurses I was working with that night were very helpful but still. They are trying to make up for short-comings by floating staff elsewhere, but in turn that either makes our unit short-staffed or we get nurses who cannot work with certain medications (we get a lot of med-surg RNs floated to my floor and they're not supposed to push meds like hydralazine, labetalol, metoprolol or work with drips like amio, dopamine, NTG, etc...)
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  9. Visit  HM-8404 profile page
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    This is a prime example of how the schools are driving the "shortage" hysteria.

    Nursing schools struggle to keep up with demand | TuscaloosaNews.com

    BTW... Whoever that was that responded hit the nail on the head.
  10. Visit  nursegirl2001 profile page
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    You know what? that is just plain scary ... and these hospitals are putting the RNs at risk for litigation when they send them to a floor that they are not oriented enough to work on. The hospital should orient nurses to the diverse areas of nursing so that they are competent in another discipline and can work confidently. It is time for nurses to raise some you know what ! That just really drives me bonkers. Administration didn't work for those licenses the nurses did !!!
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  11. Visit  turnforthenurseRN profile page
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    Quote from nursegirl2001
    You know what? that is just plain scary ... and these hospitals are putting the RNs at risk for litigation when they send them to a floor that they are not oriented enough to work on. The hospital should orient nurses to the diverse areas of nursing so that they are competent in another discipline and can work confidently. It is time for nurses to raise some you know what ! That just really drives me bonkers. Administration didn't work for those licenses the nurses did !!!
    Yup. Believe me, I wasn't thrilled. They also trie floating me to nursery and I have NO nursery experience what so ever except in clinical which was again, 3-4 years ago. They do need to give proper orientation if they are expecting nurses to get floated to these highly specialized areas, but again, that costs more money and in this recession I doubt hospitals will be doing that.
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    Quote from HM-8404
    This is a prime example of how the schools are driving the "shortage" hysteria.

    Nursing schools struggle to keep up with demand | TuscaloosaNews.com

    BTW... Whoever that was that responded hit the nail on the head.
    I emailed this woman:

    Kim,

    You should really interview new nursing grads, not people advertising for their schools...

    There is NO Nursing Shortage! Only a shortage of experienced nurses willing to work.

    When I graduated in 09', over half my class was without jobs. Only three years prior, when entering our BSN program, nursing students were having to decided between multiple job offers before even graduating.

    Since the economic downturn in 08' things continue to get worse. New Grad Programs have nearly all been shut down. There are very few "New Grad" positions. Hundreds of thousands of new grad nurses are without jobs, many for over a year. They begin to loose their skills they learned in school, and as the next graduating class appears they have even more competition.

    The only new grads getting jobs are the absolute "cream of the crop" and even many of those aren't getting jobs. I have an RN new grad working in my department as a Nurses Aid because she still can not get a job, and her resume is remarkable: graduated with honors, worked a summer in Haiti during nursing school giving nursing care, extra nursing courses, and the list goes on.

    I encourage you to looks deeper on this and not rely in sources that are making money off of false advertising.

    (My Name) RN-C, BSN, PHN
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  13. Visit  nursegirl2001 profile page
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    Nurses,

    I truly am so sorry that many of us are unemployed. We just have to pray that God bless us and help keep us working. This is simply ridiculous. So many of us have experience and education and many of these schools are pushing for enrollment knowing full-well that the students wil have a hard time finding a job. All of the ads proclaim that nursing is a recession-proof job......I pray that this will turn around for us immediately !!!
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