No more visitors EVER! - page 7

Well I had a hell of a night in OB, a sullen rude labor patient even after the epidural, and whining about keeping the moniter belts on- yes they HAVE to be there. Her SO pissed and moaned about it... Read More

  1. by   nimbex
    this thread in general sounds like mcdonald's cashiers *****ing about people ordering mcwhineburgers and not like professional nurses. i'm also quite certain my comment will make me an object of derision on this forum very quickly but i don't f******g care!!

    forgot about this part. i'm feeling the need to defend every nurse in this bb. i can say that never have i come across anyone else comparing these nurses to a non skilled worker and even suggesting that we are not professionals.

    this is a discussion forum, everyone's opinion should be allowed. period.... i invite you to continue to join us and see the support given to each other and the wonderous feeling of being able to vent in a supportive environment

    but please... references to lack of professionalism and mcdonalds is exactly what's not needed. your opinions will never "make (you) an object of derision, but insulting the people here may.
  2. by   mark_LD_RN
    ZYANYA

    i wish i was a great as you if i happen to become as good a nurses and person as you ,is there room in your ivory tower for me?

    you need to read some of the posts more clearly we are far from whiny about the patients and visitors. you don't have a clue what the real world is like. how many times have i had a patient ask for visitors to leave and they refuse? more than i care to count. how many times have visitors got in the way during a delivery gone bad. more than i care to count. open your eyes !

    i am a patient advocate and love patints and visitors, i know what it is like to be a patient and a visitor. but i would never impose like some of theses visitors do. and it is only getting worse. most think we are here to wait on them and that everything needs to be now. how often do i go in a room to check on my patient and ask if i can get her something and the whole clan chimes in and starts placing orders.way to often.

    well i will get off the soap box now.
    oh by the way ZYANYA, Are you or were you ever a nurse? tell the truth now.
  3. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Originally posted by zyanya
    Well, I can't say I've been in an acute care setting in 5 years...
    Nuff said! Honey, when you have the balls to come back to the bedside, we'll still be here, ready to listen to you when you need to vent.

    Heather
  4. by   LauraRN0501
    Originally posted by OBNURSEHEATHER


    Nuff said! Honey, when you have the balls to come back to the bedside, we'll still be here, ready to listen to you when you need to vent.

    Heather

    OMG Heather, you kill me! lmao I totally agree with you, too.

    Laura
  5. by   aus nurse
    oh by the way ZYANYA, Are you or were you ever a nurse? tell the truth now.

    Hmm zyanya I would be interested too to hear the answer. And i would like to say...don't patronise me till you have walked a mile in my shoes
  6. by   Cascadians
    With some visitors, it doesn't matter how much time you spend with them, explaining everything. They have their own desired action and no amount of reason or logic will dissuade them.

    We'll never forget one night the Visitor From Hell appeared. On Adult Oncology, a woman was taken into surgery and sent right back to the floor. When they opened her up they saw the cancer had spread throughout her abdominal region and it was too involved to do anything about. The surgeons stated she almost died in surgery and would die any minute. Her estranged son came into the room and stated that she was to be buried in another state and he did not want to pay the money for transport, so he was going to just sling her over his shoulder and drive her there himself. We each talked long and kindly to him explaining that his desired action was not appropriate.

    With 23 other pts on the floor, all busy vomiting, squirting, falling, pulling their lines and repeat-pushing their call lights, we did not have time to babysit this son. Ended up having to call the House Supervisor to keep him from literally dragging his mother out of the room. BTW, it took her 4 days to die, on morphine, no other care, and after she passed on she lay there for HOURS with the door open (we were off those days and happened to come on the floor for an in-service and closed her door and asked some questions).

    Visitors like these, and being too frantically rushed and hectic with too many severely ill patients, accumulates the tension and unwillingness to babycoddle hordes of people who are all too quick to demand and criticize instead of helping or staying out of the way during crucial moments.

    We personally feel that with the shortage, a patient should always have a family member / friend in their hospital room as an advocate, but never as an obstacle to nursing care. What total relief we'd feel whenever there was a calm, considerate caregiver with the patient who respected the workers, kept company with the patient, and tended to all the little things the patient needed that nursing staff no longer had time to accommodate.
  7. by   SOCRATES SOUL
    Many of you have already answered this post greatly I think, and as Mattsmom out it SOOOOOOO aptly, it is the management that are at fault for promoting a 'hotel like atmosphere', right on MAtts mom!!

    The general public has NO respect it seems for signage, would they dare do half the things they do in a police station, an airport or the court of law that they try in the public hospitals? I dont think so, it is managements fault as they have no real idea how vile some members of the public really are out there, and often the ones with the least acute cases are like that, you know the hernia repairs, the laprotomy's.......simple procedures... I have found that the ones with the real sickie relatives hospitalised are often the most pleasant and grateful for the work we do, and they are the ones I will often go a little out of my way to comfort.........

    And as it was also pevoiusly posted, if we nurses continue to 'act like maids' then they will continue to treat us as such.....we are NOT there to clean up the area after they have left it in a complete and disgusting mess, we are NOT there to order extra sandwiches for their snivelling children nor are we there to clean up all the Macdonalds wrappers and scraps generously left behind for us, we are NOT there to sit up and fluff the pillows on their pefectly able bodied relatives, we are NOT there to baby sit the restless kids whilst the adults converse, we are NOT there to find them chairs to sit their fatt arses on ( Lets not make them too comfortable now!!), we are NOT there to take endless babbling messages, we are NOT there to smile at them when they come in thinking they are royaltyand think they can snarl and sneer at us 'lowlife'.......and to hell with their complaints, thankfully senior management is starting to ignore these baseless and often vindictive complaints against 'lazy and rude nurses'......they have finally realised that is a reason along with a plethora of others that their precious nurses are leaving in droves.....

    And NO I dont think that nurses have 'lost their compassion'......we are educated proffesionals that are changing the stereo typical mould of subserveint nursing.......and we make very educated assessments as to whom or what heads our priority list....

    Another question I like to ask an overbearing and anal relative is "And you have nursing experience do you??".......to which 9 times out of 10 they will answer 'No'......to which I will retort "Precisely my point".....and they never miss my point after that....... Passive aggression has to rear its head in situations like that I think if all else fails.............:stone
  8. by   sjoe
    I was going to email zyanya, to remind her to come back to this BB and read the responses to her flame, but guess what? zyanya has requested that we not be able to send her any email. What a surprise. Hit and run, anyone?
  9. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    That's a shame, cause I'm sure she has plenty of time to read her email from her desk in her office

    Heather
  10. by   Ex130Load
    Okay, maybe I'm a little slow. Somehow I wasn't able to "connect the dots" with the comments about "...doctors are clients too" or words to that effect. What is that all about? Is this some sort of doctor respect issue?

    The comment about removing the offending sign, like the commercial says, "Just do it"! Of course it will be more enjoyable and satisfying if'n you don't get caught, but then you could earn hero points from your co-workers. I suspect you're not the only one thinking as you do.

    Client? Patients? Sorry, I'm old school. If you're seeing a nurse, doctor, X-ray tech, et., you're a patient. No need to ask "how old school" I am...

    ZYANYA-hmmm. I think that was her first response. I'll cut her some slack and assume she doesn't know you, the regulars and that you guys/girls are a fairly level-headed lot. Sometimes you rant, rave, lob grenades, but often "kiss and make-up". It took me about six months to get a "feel" for you older folks and how you think.
    As to her observations, I'm gonna summarize what I consider to be her main point--patience, understanding, compassion for clients and visitors. With that in mind, I've made a mental note to renew efforts to be patient, understanding, compassionate with clients and visitors(!). I said try! Doesn't mean I will. I'm acutely aware of the real world. We're all human and have limits. Still, I often think the expression "the road to Hell is paved with good intention" had me in mind.
  11. by   Ex130Load
    Okay, maybe I'm a little slow. Somehow I wasn't able to "connect the dots" with the comments about "...doctors are clients too" or words to that effect. What is that all about? Is this some sort of doctor respect issue?

    The comment about removing the offending sign, like the commercial says, "Just do it"! Of course it will be more enjoyable and satisfying if'n you don't get caught, but then you could earn hero points from your co-workers. I suspect you're not the only one thinking as you do.

    Client? Patients? Sorry, I'm old school. If you're seeing a nurse, doctor, X-ray tech, et., you're a patient. No need to ask "how old school" I am...

    ZYANYA-hmmm. I think that was her first response. I'll cut her some slack and assume she doesn't know you, the regulars and that you guys/girls are a fairly level-headed lot. Sometimes you rant, rave, lob grenades, but often "kiss and make-up". It took me about six months to get a "feel" for you older folks and how you think.
    As to her observations, I'm gonna summarize what I consider to be her main point--patience, understanding, and compassion for clients and visitors. With that in mind, I've made a mental note to renew efforts to be patient, understanding, compassionate with clients and visitors(!). I said try! Doesn't mean I will. I'm acutely aware of the real world. We're all human and have limits. Still, I often think the expression "the road to Hell is paved with good intention" had me in mind.

    Print has its limitations. As someone else pointed out in another thread, print is void of nonverbal communication which makes for increased errors and misunderstandings.
  12. by   SmilingBluEyes
    zynana there is a place in the suit's beautiful corner office with a view waiting for ya. with that attidude, i suspect you are already there.

    jeez louise, please get back to the real world where we are the middle man for these obnoxious, "entitled" boobs getting in the way of our doing our jobs. we are NOT discussing "reasonable" and CARING visitors, here, but the ones who make our jobs unpleasant, hazardous and downright legally dangerous to liability EACH AND EVERY DAY!

    you need to buy a serious clue along with the cheeseburger at MICKEY D's honey. your money would be much better spent.
  13. by   Dr. Kate
    I try really, really hard to avoid ad hominum remarks, but Zynana just set herself up too well to pass by.
    I haven't heard the line she's handing out articulated so clearly and simply since I got out of my BSN program. Those of out here in the real world know all that stuff and we practice it. We try all the tidy psychosocial interventions we were taught in school and all those we've picked up along the way, some days we create a few new ones. And sometimes, nothing works and you call out security and the dogs. (okay, okay, I never called out the dogs.) And when that doesn't work you call the police. Hey, it happens.
    As I see it, one of the great benefits of these forums is a place to vent the frustration of being perpetually polite to fools, the terminally stupid, and creeps. It is not a place for someone to come preaching the message of sweetness and light in a condescending tone that transcends the written word.
    You know, gang, give Zynana another five years away from the bedside and her comments will become incomprehensible. She's got the theory down, now all she has to do is learn incredibily obfuscatory language of the theorists on nusing science. (Don't get me wrong here, I believe and care deeply about the theoretical basis of nursing. But, I believe nothing and no one is served if it cannot be understood by a staff nurse. )

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