No Child Carseat = Child Endangerment = Call to Police? - page 4

I was reading the thread "Vent: I absolutely HATE stupidity! Not ignorance.....STUPIDITY!!" and it got me thinking about a potential topic for one of my nursing classes: Should there be more... Read More

  1. by   iheartyou
    Quote from teeituptom
    safer than getting us into an illegal war, that threatens my children over there. I see now what you mean that the government makes better choices than we do.
  2. by   TazziRN
    Quote from iheartyou

    Here's some Advil, Heart.........
  3. by   leslie :-D
    i swear i hear tom laughing whenever he gets someone riled up. :chuckle

    leslie
  4. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from jojotoo
    Motorcycle Mama - I don't want it to seem as if you're being picked on here, because I know that's not my intent. I'm not sure of all your nursing experience, so I don't know if you've ever seen an unrestrained child that has been thrown from a car. I have. We don't usually have to spend much time with them in the ER because almost all of them come in dead. Horrific injuries and dead. And these kids had parents that weren't "bad people". Parents that may have been distracted, tired, or just plain lazy. But not "bad people". Those kids are still dead. Kids that depended on their parents to protect them. It's a very small inconvenience for parents to make sure their kids are restrained. And while they're at it, to buckle themselves in also, if not for themselves, then for their kids.



    I don't think you'll find anybody that's ever done any Trauma in disagreement with me.
    Now, wait a minute, here. It doesn't take someone who works in the ER to understand that a car wreck turns children into torpedos and naturally, their little bodies can't take the trauma.
    No, those weren't bad people, and I didn't say that as a way to excuse them from not having their children in restraints (the kids were wild, BTW, more like they needed straight jacket restraints) but anyway, I get the impression that people tend to think all people who may not happen to have their child restrained properly deserve the worst kind of fate and that they are neglectful and evil. It seems like people are more like GET THEM!!! than how can we help them (without "going after" them).


    No, I'm not ignorant about the need for children to be in restraints (I believe adults are different, if they want their guts splattered all over the road I believe they should have that right) but what I'm objecting to is calling the law.
    Last edit by Jo Dirt on Jul 19, '07
  5. by   TazziRN
    Quote from motorcycle mama
    No, I'm not ignorant about the need for children to be in restraints (I believe adults are different, if they want their guts splattered all over the road I believe they should have that right) but what I'm objecting to is calling the law.
    With all the education out there about the need for child restraints, if someone still doesn't get it, calling the law is what needs to be done.
  6. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from teeituptom
    Why

    Isnt it easier to respect their choice


    We do still alledgedly have Freedom of Choice
    You mean Freedom from Choice.

    I remember when I was little (back in the 70's) riding in the family car sitting on that fold down armrest in the front seat.
    But things were a slower pace back then, and the cars were larger and safer, I guess.
    I believe in children being restrained, but what's with this gestapo business?
    Reminds me of this song: we'll be watching you, no matter what you do, and you can do your part by watching others, too.
  7. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from motorcycle mama
    I believe in children being restrained, but what's with this gestapo business?
    because of all the in-your-face ignorance and resistance out there, causing too many untimely and torturous deaths.

    leslie
  8. by   dream'n
    Quote from cotjockey
    Here, parents are fined unless they go to our fitting station and get a car seat...they have ten days to get a seat before they are fined. Some of the guys from our fitting station will even go to the parent's house because we had a few use the excuse that their car broke down or something so they couldn'g make it to the fitting station.

    We request a donation for seats, but if they simply can't afford it, they are free. We take payments or let the parents help out at check up events if they want to.
    That sounds like a wonderful program. Don't think I would call the police on someone unless they continued to unrestrain their children after education, offers of help, etc.. I also am a big believer in freedom of personal choice and limited government, BUT this is a different matter. Children have the right to grow up safe and healthy, and that trumps anything else.
  9. by   flashpoint
    Quote from motorcycle mama
    You mean Freedom from Choice.

    I remember when I was little (back in the 70's) riding in the family car sitting on that fold down armrest in the front seat.
    But things were a slower pace back then, and the cars were larger and safer, I guess.
    I believe in children being restrained, but what's with this gestapo business?
    Reminds me of this song: we'll be watching you, no matter what you do, and you can do your part by watching others, too.
    I can remember living in a house with lead paint on the walls and asbestos in the furnace. I can remember when no one wore bicycle helmets. I remember sneking into the bathroom and sneaking baby aspirin to eat and doctors thinking it was OK to for women to smoke when they were pregnant. But...experience and reasearch has shown us that none of those things are safe. Experience and research have also shown us that car seats save lives...and since so many parents fail to protect their children, the legal system is going to do it for them. I know you aren't saying we should just let children roam about a car all willy nilly.

    I have been on a lot of car crashes that everyone died except the child who was properly restrained...and many of them wouldn't have been properly restrained if someone hadn't made their parents do it.
  10. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from cotjockey
    I can remember living in a house with lead paint on the walls and asbestos in the furnace. I can remember when no one wore bicycle helmets. I remember sneking into the bathroom and sneaking baby aspirin to eat and doctors thinking it was OK to for women to smoke when they were pregnant. But...experience and reasearch has shown us that none of those things are safe. Experience and research have also shown us that car seats save lives...and since so many parents fail to protect their children, the legal system is going to do it for them. I know you aren't saying we should just let children roam about a car all willy nilly.

    I have been on a lot of car crashes that everyone died except the child who was properly restrained...and many of them wouldn't have been properly restrained if someone hadn't made their parents do it.
    Oh now, this is apples and oranges.

    A couple of years ago, there was a wreck here where a car collided with an Amish buggy and several children were killed.
    Think they would have been safer with car seats in the buggy? How will we start holding Amish people responsible for endangering the lives of their children? Those buggies are ten times more flimsy than the smallest car.
    How far will we go?
  11. by   FireStarterRN
    Quote from motorcycle mama
    Oh now, this is apples and oranges.

    A couple of years ago, there was a wreck here where a car collided with an Amish buggy and several children were killed.
    Think they would have been safer with car seats in the buggy? How will we start holding Amish people responsible for endangering the lives of their children? Those buggies are ten times more flimsy than the smallest car.
    How far will we go?
    You have a good point there. Really, I wish we were all in Amish buggys and lived a slower paced life. It's a better way of life. Maybe we should take a clue from the Amish.

    I'm one of those people that started using carseats and seatbelts because of the law. When my oldest child was a baby they started making it mandatory, so I started doing it (except on occasion when my husband was driving and the baby got hungry for breastfeeding) I also remember when they made seatbelt mandatory and I did start using seatbelts then.

    Our whole family has always, since then, buckled up everytime we get in the car. A few years back my adult son had a rollover accident on the interstate and escaped with a mild concussion thanks to his seatbelt. The car was destroyed. He probably drove over a patch of ice, that's his theory. So, seatbelts do save lives. I'm in favor of these laws. I would never call the cops on someone, but I'm not opposed to others doing so.
    Last edit by FireStarterRN on Jul 19, '07
  12. by   rn/writer
    The topic of this thread is, "What do you do if you see that a child leaving your hospital has no car seat?"

    Not politics. Not the motives of the police. Not parental rights. Or any other distracting subject.

    Just, "what do you do?" or,"what is your hospital policy?" You can brainstorm ideas about how to handle such a situation. But, please, stay in the general vicinity of the original question(s).

    Thank you.
    Last edit by rn/writer on Jul 19, '07
  13. by   Mrs. M.
    I worked pediatrics for many years, and I found one line that worked like a charm. If a family didn't have a carseat, we would offer to get one through social services. Sometimes that meant a delay in the discharge, and they would decline. So, I would say something to the effect of - "Okay, I just need for you to confirm that I did tell you that this is the law, because I need to document that in the medical record. Let me find someone to witness this". Suddenly, they would have time to wait, and they would often get someone to bring one from home.

    Sadly, it often isn't that they don't have a carseat. The parent who is coerced into taking the child home in a carseat is not going to use it consistently.

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