Never understood nursing - page 3

I know this is my first post on your forum, and I am a guest here. But I hopefully can get some answers to a problem that has seemed to plague me since I started practicing in medicine. I am hoping... Read More

  1. by   LeahJet
    Quote from Empress
    Well, based on the replies on this thread and the one below titled "How to put doctors in their place?" I doubt his opinions of nurses has changed much.
    And just what have nurses replied on this thread that reinforce any hateful, neglectful, or spiteful ideas he may have about our profession?
    He asked a question.
    We gave our ideas/answers. They may not have been what he wanted to hear or riddled with "I'm so sorry's"....or attempts at somehow redeeming our entire profession.
    I mean.... does it make sense that the majority of ALL nurses....10 facilities...that's a bunch of nurses, people. But does it make sense that they are all horrible? Not just crabby....or ******.... but he says negligent and harmful to patients. That some pretty serious allegations.
    He asked a question.
    We answered.
    If he wants to rest his head in someone's lap and have his brow stroked and be coddled....well, he can probably get that elsewhere. But I don't think that's what he was looking for.
  2. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from LeahJet
    Your previous places of employment do not sound normal. That is to say that the behaviour that you described is not the norm for nurses. I have worked in over 10 ERs all over this country. The only time I have ever seen nurses giving docs/residents/PAs a hard time was when they were either unsafe or needed to be brought down a notch or two.
    In fact, I find it hard to believe that so many places you worked had so many nurses behaving badly. Maybe this is a personal issue.

    oh, and for a first time post on a nurse's forum, your generalizations may not be taken so well. One may even mistake you for a troll.
    Absolutely spot on. If 8 out of the 10 places were problematic for the OP, then it stands to reason that maybe the OP's attitude/manner in dealing with the nursing staff was the issue.

    I have had more than one PA treat me like dirt because I was "just a nurse." Heck, most docs don't pull that kind of crap.

    And I have seen stuff PAs did that would have made me look like Linda Blair at her head spinning best. Scary, scary, scary.

    What kind of reception did the OP expect to make his first post a diatribe against nurses? That takes an incredible amount of chutzpah.
  3. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from nd_mom
    I think just like you and I the OP came here to vent. Why should it be thrown back in his face. We all need to vent every now and then!
    If the OP wants to vent against nurses, then maybe he should direct that venting to one of the many PA BBs out there, where you can read all kinds of threads about how stupid, incompetent, fat and lazy nurses are.

    Don't go there unless you premedicate with a strong anti-emetic, though. It's enough to make you want to boot.

    In my experience, all but one PA came across with guns blazing--something to prove. All but one of them treated me as if I were so far beneath them. The one in particular was so dangerous that I refused to accept anything beyond a Tylenol order from him, and I went so far as to call his attending to explain why. He (PA) loudly informed me I had to do whatever he ordered. I told him to think again; I don't even have to do that for doctors.

    If this were a board called "allalliedhealthprofessionals.com" I could see the point. But to come here with the sole purpose of denigrating nurses makes absolutely no sense.
  4. by   Jelli_Belli
    This did not appear to be the minority in any of the places I had previously worked.


    "So many" may not = majority but "not in the minority" does.
  5. by   llg
    Please don't feed the trolls.

    If the OP really wanted productive communication with nurses, he would have used more tact and diplomacy. He was looking to offend.

    His post was not a "vent" or a "rant" because of being upset over something that recently happened. He likes the nurses he works with now! No, his post was calmly planned out -- words chosen on carefully and on purpose when he was in a calm state of mind. He was trying to offend people.

    Don't fall for it and feed into that kind of divisive, unproductive, and unkind behavior.
    Last edit by llg on Aug 14, '06
  6. by   leslie :-D
    can we get this thread closed if he doesn't return?

    i'd hate to think he's getting this large a response, esp if he's aiming to antagonize.

    leslie
  7. by   Ruby Vee
    Quote from jelli_belli
    the law of averages would tell us that you working at 10 different hospitals, with dozens of "bad" nurses who were so cruel and vindictive to you, would be quite the statistical anomaly.
    it seems to me that the common denominator in all those bad situations discribed was, well, you. just some food for thought.
    [font="comic sans ms"]i agree with jelli. it's hard to believe that working in 10 hospitals, you'd encounter nothing but cruel and vindictive nurses. someone very wise once told me "you elicit the responses you get." perhaps you're happier and more pleasant to deal with in las vegas, and that is the difference.
  8. by   Ruby Vee
    Quote from nd_mom
    i think just like you and i the op came here to vent. why should it be thrown back in his face. we all need to vent every now and then!
    [font="comic sans ms"]the difference is that we are nurses venting to nurses. he is not a nurse, but chose to come to a nursing site (rather than a pa site) to do his venting. i wonder if he wasn't just trying to stir things up.
  9. by   goats'r'us
    there is no PA site! you forget that we're lucky to have a big, sucessful site like this.. most professions dont.

    i'm a little disappointed in the way the replies to this have panned out. people have turned on the OP (which may or may not be legit. i don't know, and neither does anyone else), people have turned on each other, people are squabbling over semantics, people are making their own generalisations about the OP while complaining about his generalisations.

    the OP might have come here for a fight, but he's sure as hell not the only one.

    and now, someone will no doubt turn on me for saying this.
  10. by   LeahJet
    Quote from goats'r'us
    and now, someone will no doubt turn on me for saying this.
    They shouldn't.
    You are just giving your opinion just as the others.....which was what the Op wanted.
    I don't think any of the replies are "fightin' words".... just answers and opinions. Just because they are not in favor of the OP does not make them hostile.
  11. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from goats'r'us
    there is no PA site! you forget that we're lucky to have a big, sucessful site like this.. most professions dont.

    i'm a little disappointed in the way the replies to this have panned out. people have turned on the OP (which may or may not be legit. i don't know, and neither does anyone else), people have turned on each other, people are squabbling over semantics, people are making their own generalisations about the OP while complaining about his generalisations.

    the OP might have come here for a fight, but he's sure as hell not the only one.

    and now, someone will no doubt turn on me for saying this.
    How wrong you are:

    www.aapa.org

    www.physicianassistant.net

    http://www.physicianassistant.com/

    www.studentdoctor.net has a section devoted to PAs

    www.paworld.net

    http://www.physicianassistantforum.com/forum353/

    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...anassistants2/

    http://healthprofessions.udmercy.edu...um/profile.php?

    There is but a small sampling of what is out there. Not turning on you, just suggesting that you do your research first. There are more pa forums than you can shake a stick at.
  12. by   begalli
    Quote from Jelli_Belli

    "So many" may not = majority but "not in the minority" does.
    Gotcha. I re-read the op and I stand corrected. But it is still not "all."

    I don't believe the op to be a troll, but someone who has voiced a personal observation that many do not like because it hits so close to home - nursing.

    I agree with the statement about the thread "have you ever put a doctor in their place" thread (or what ever it's named). It's just not very friendly.

    So it seems it's okay for nurses to voice their complaints about everything under the sun, but watch out if someone has a complaint against us? That's hypocritical.

    I know, I know - this is a nursing website - no one should complain about nurses here! But what better place to help a colleague with suppossed bad experiences with nurses understand why those behavoirs might be happening? I'd personally rather have him come here and do it where we can talk about it than have him go and post it in a place where nurses don't hang out.

    If this were another nurse making the same type of complaints there would be no question as to whether or not the story was true. What's the difference - because he's PA? Ridiculous.

    I hope this thread stays open long enough for the OP to come back and reply.
    Last edit by begalli on Aug 15, '06
  13. by   TazziRN
    Quote from begalli
    Gotcha. I re-read the op and I stand corrected. But it is still not "all."

    I don't believe the op to be a troll, but someone who has voiced a personal observation that many do not like because it hits so close to home - nursing.

    I agree with the statement about the thread "have you ever put a doctor in their place" thread (or what ever it's named). It's just not very friendly.

    So it seems it's okay for nurses to voice their complaints about everything under the sun, but watch out if someone has a complaint against us? That's hypocritical.

    I know, I know - this is a nursing website - no one should complain about nurses here! But what better place to help a colleague with suppossed bad experiences with nurses understand why those behavoirs might be happening? I'd personally rather have him come here and do it where we can talk about it than have him go and post it in a place where nurses don't hang out.

    If this were another nurse making the same type of complaints there would be no question as to whether or not the story was true. What's the difference - because he's PA? Ridiculous.

    I hope this thread stays open long enough for the OP to come back and reply.
    No, not because he's a PA, but because he implied very strongly that nurses are b*tches and look down on him because he's a PA. I, personally, would have had the same problem with this post had the OP been a nurse saying "All doctors......". When one person has been in that many facilities and finds the same problem at each one, then it stands to reason that perhaps the problem isn't with the nurses, but with the person.

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