Never understood nursing - page 2

I know this is my first post on your forum, and I am a guest here. But I hopefully can get some answers to a problem that has seemed to plague me since I started practicing in medicine. I am hoping... Read More

  1. by   anne74
    Just as we don't want the OP to assume that all nurses are evil, we shouldn't assume that the OP has a bad personality. I get the argument about statistics, but we don't know him. I have to agree a bit about nurses having this dog-eat-dog culture and being territorial. In fact, it happens amongst nurses too. I worked in corporate America for 7 years before becoming a nurse, and I can say corporate America has treated me better. I have found many older, more experienced nurses treating younger ones poorly. Some are resentful of the newbies, and try to "break them in" instead of taking them under their wing and showing them the ropes - thus nurturing the next generation of nurses.

    My theory is that years ago, those nurses were treated poorly - ridiculously low salaries, ridiculously high pt ratios, and old-school doctors treating them like servants. True - I think nurses back in the 70s & 80s were shortchanged. So now are these nurses bitter and jaded, and they cope by taking it out on other new nurses - or PA's, CNA's, med students, etc.? Were they made to feel unworthy, and so now they make themselves feel better by tearing down others?

    I've heard of experienced ICU nurses who are bitter that new grads can start there - having the attitude that they didn't "earn the right" to be there. You know what - they are there, so deal with it and help foster a positive envrionment. It's not helping anyone - or the field of nursing in general - to give others a hard time. We're all here to help patients, we're all on the same team. More experienced nurses have a lot of knowledge to share, so instead of being rude to other team members, help us out.

    I haven't experienced this from all nurses - many have been helpful and kind. But I have to say that I've seen a bigger collection of "meanies" in the field of nursing than I have in other industries - and as a former consultant, I've worked in many. I even experienced it in nursing school, with many professors threating students and breaking their confidence. So strange - I was very surprised to see this coming from an occupation that relies on compassion.

    And I can assure you, I don't have a bad personality. I'm always respectful of other nurses and very appreciative when they help me. You know the saying - nurses eat their young - as well as colleagues with different backgrounds.
  2. by   DDRN4me
    Although i am not an Er nurse, i have worked with both PAs and NPs in office situations in the past. I have to question the OP if he came into the ERs with an attitude,and in return, was treated poorly by the nurses. I also highly doubt that the patients suffered at the hands of the nurses because of that. Nurses for the most part would not let that happen. Perhaps you have mellowed over the past 10 years. JMHO mary
  3. by   begalli
    What is it that makes many posters turn the OP's stated experiences around and make it something that must be a shortcoming of his own? Why is it so hard to believe that nursing can be difficult to deal with at times? He never painted the entire profession as "unprofessional, uncaring, etc" he said "many."

    I don't know what to say except that for so long nursing has been jerked around and it's just keeps getting worse. OP, you may have experienced the result of some of that jerking around. Maybe some nurses saw your position as a PA less threatening than that of a physician? Less threatening in the sense that you probably don't have any pull with the higher ups who cater to your every whim. You were an easy target?

    It is quite disheartening to read that at 8 of 10 places you felt this way.
    Last edit by begalli on Aug 14, '06
  4. by   SkateBetty
    "He never painted the entire profession as "unprofessional, uncaring, etc""

    No?


    "I have never seen a profession where so many are hateful, unprofessional, uncaring about their responsibilities (patients) and could care less about how little they are performing their jobs."
  5. by   Little Panda RN
    I think just like you and I the OP came here to vent. Why should it be thrown back in his face. We all need to vent every now and then!
  6. by   LeahJet
    Quote from begalli
    Why is it so hard to believe that nursing can be difficult to deal with at times?
    I know that nursing can be hard to deal with sometimes. Every dept. has a few mean ole cows. But the brush he is painting with has us believe that the majority of nurses in 10 facilities are not only mean spirited, but dangerous and neglect their patients.
    So, YES, that is very hard to believe.
  7. by   LeahJet
    Quote from nd_mom
    I think just like you and I the OP came here to vent. Why should it be thrown back in his face. We all need to vent every now and then!
    He was asking a question.
    We are answering.
  8. by   SkateBetty
    Quote from LeahJet
    He was asking a question.
    We are answering.
    Thank you!
  9. by   begalli
    Quote from SkateBetty
    "He never painted the entire profession as "unprofessional, uncaring, etc""

    No?


    "I have never seen a profession where so many are hateful, unprofessional, uncaring about their responsibilities (patients) and could care less about how little they are performing their jobs."
    If you left off the rest of my sentence when you quoted me.

    As far as I know, "so many" does not = "all." Nor does "so many = a "majority."
    Last edit by begalli on Aug 14, '06
  10. by   Little Panda RN
    As far as I know, "so many" does not = "all." Nor does "so many = a
    "majority."[/quote]


    So true!
  11. by   SmilingBluEyes
    A person is very entitled to vent. However, when going to a NURSING site, and publically posting such opinions, one WILL invite rebuttals. This would, I think, be expected as a matter of common sense. It would be no different than if I were to go to a doctor's site and say these same things about doctors....it would invite similiar responses. Just human nature at work here.
  12. by   traumaRUs
    BTW - where IS the OP??? Hmmmm
  13. by   Empress
    Well, based on the replies on this thread and the one below titled "How to put doctors in their place?" I doubt his opinions of nurses has changed much.

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