Never understood nursing - page 10

I know this is my first post on your forum, and I am a guest here. But I hopefully can get some answers to a problem that has seemed to plague me since I started practicing in medicine. I am hoping... Read More

  1. by   ghoprn
    Your experience does not sound like the usual expereince. Although, I do tend to believe nursing is the most non-cohesive group of professionals I have ever encountered. That is where nurses are idiots. They are to busy slamming each other, instead of working together to better themselves professionally and financially. The other week a nurse asked the discussion board about what it was like to work in their area and about pay rates for their areas. Instead of the nurse getting answers to her questions, she was slammed for poor grammer. The only thing that the slamming nurses showed me was, what it is like to have an inferority complex and act like a jackass. I felt like writing in and maybe should have to suggest to those rude nurses to get out of nursing NOW you are burned out....(proven fact). Nursing as a whole will do better if the nasty, uncaring, rude and incompetent nurses leave the profession. I have seen nurses lie about each other, set up each other, and gossip about each other and personally I stay clear. I have been able to negotiate for better money for myself, I have been able to obtain better working hours and shifts. All the time just by being professional, polite, and fun to work with. The way I see it, life is tough enough lets have fun...yes even at work...btw I don't take crap from patients, staff, doctors or family members. (that's a whole other story that I have been very effective in, without getting rude) I let them know they will respect me or they can get someone else to help them... and I am well aware of the current nursing shortage. What a great time to be in nursing!!
  2. by   user9876
    Quote from ghoprn
    I have seen nurses lie about each other, set up each other,
    this is so true.... my boyfriend's mother is an RN, and for years has dealt with a terrible co-worker who has stolen from the narcotics bin and blamed it on her, and gone back and "un-done" certain things to make it look like she didn't do a task she was supposed to, etc... terrible!!
  3. by   leslie :-D
    these past few posts only serve to generalize nsg, which is dangerous as well as inaccurate.
    if i were to believe what was written, one would think that we are all despicable ingrates.
    if you're going to tell your story, make it credible.
    don't make the few bad seeds blemish your perspective.

    give me a break.

    leslie
  4. by   user9876
    Quote from earle58
    these past few posts only serve to generalize nsg, which is dangerous as well as inaccurate.
    if i were to believe what was written, one would think that we are all despicable ingrates.
    if you're going to tell your story, make it credible.
    don't make the few bad seeds blemish your perspective.

    give me a break.

    leslie

    how did the last few posts generalize nursing? i spoke of ONE situation with ONE nurse. the person before me said "i have SEEN nurses...." nobody generalized, we spoke of situations WE personally had seen. i swear, you can't win on this forum!! unless you're 100% gung-ho about everything to do with nursing and everything about NURSES, you absolutely cant win on this forum. i found this out in the beginning in the student forum, when i posted the "group work fear" thread and later stated i wanted to become a PA, and was attacked for it. some nurses just can't live with the idea of anyone wanting to better themselves, or anyone thinking negatively about any aspect of nursing. it's sad.
  5. by   catlady
    Quote from aph401
    how did the last few posts generalize nursing? i spoke of ONE situation with ONE nurse. the person before me said "i have SEEN nurses...." nobody generalized, we spoke of situations WE personally had seen. i swear, you can't win on this forum!! unless you're 100% gung-ho about everything to do with nursing and everything about NURSES, you absolutely cant win on this forum. i found this out in the beginning in the student forum, when i posted the "group work fear" thread and later stated i wanted to become a PA, and was attacked for it. some nurses just can't live with the idea of anyone wanting to better themselves, or anyone thinking negatively about any aspect of nursing. it's sad.
    Just out of curiosity, I just went to read the thread you mention. You seem to have a very thin skin. Golly, not everyone agreed with you. I didn't read anyone attacking you, only a couple of people questioning whether you could be successful as a nurse or PA with the attitude you were presenting.

    Exactly how many "situations" regarding nursing behavior have you actually seen? How many years have you spent working as a nurse or working with nurses?

    You don't think these last few posts are somewhat rude and inflammatory, given that they're being posted about nurses on a nursing forum....

    most nurses I've come across have been rude and unprofessional & they speak to you like you're an idiot....Part of the reason I came into nursing is because I was apalled by the way these "caregivers" treated people, myself included...
    Although, I do tend to believe nursing is the most non-cohesive group of professionals I have ever encountered. That is where nurses are idiots.
    Yeah, I'd want to read that, too.
  6. by   user9876
    Quote from catlady
    Exactly how many "situations" regarding nursing behavior have you actually seen? How many years have you spent working as a nurse or working with nurses?
    i posted ONE negative situation -- i didn't generalize, didn't pretend to be speaking towards nursing as a whole, just mentioned ONE situation. but of course, it was negative towards nursing, so everyone on this forum is going to get up in arms about it.. i knew it when i posted it *sigh*


    Quote from catlady
    Golly, not everyone agreed with you. I didn't read anyone attacking you, only a couple of people questioning whether you could be successful as a nurse or PA with the attitude you were presenting.
    no, it had nothing to do with my attitude or anyone "not agreeing" with me -- people blatantly stated that i shouldn't use nursing as a stepping stone towards PA school. how ignorant is that? just because it's not the route ONE person might take, doesn't mean it isn't right for me. i should've never had to justify/defend myself about it, and that was my point...i posted asking for people's experiences with group work in nursing school, and it turned into people lecturing me on my life decisions. and that's exactly what i'm talking about with this forum.... you can't win. some people just can't stand to see anyone wanting to do anything BESIDES bedside nursing, like it's the best and only option in life..
  7. by   rn/writer
    Okay, okay. It's time to settle down or the thread is going on ice.

    Citing instances you have seen or relating specific experiences isn't generalizing.

    And let's stay away from the whole PAs vs. nurses vs. docs vs. anyone else who gets in the way thing. It doesn't contribute anything but animosity.

    Anyone who thinks the OP is blowing smoke, once you've expressed your opinion, feel free to place him on ignore and seek out less aggravating topics.

    The reality is that for all the regulation and accountability MOST nurses live with, there are pockets of anarchy and resistance that your average person would find astounding. Some of this might be attributable to union "shops," but it also has to do with poor management that has habitually looked the other way while horrendous things take place. Think back a few years to some of the scandalous news stories about LTC facilities and smaller private hospitals. Intimidation is a subtle serpent, very hard to prove if the person isn't caught in the act.

    The common denominators in these situations are the abuse of power (bullying) and the lust for money (leading to inadequate staffing and supplies and just about forcing people to take ill-advised and illegal short cuts). Add to this the suspicion and power struggles that can arise between different groups and you have a recipe for several disasters.

    These things shouldn't happen, but they do. Just because you personally haven't witnessed such behavior (which can go so far as to become criminal) doesn't mean it isn't out there. If you haven't run across such problematic workplaces, count yourself blessed.

    I do believe that looking the other way--going along to get along--is an invitation to the offenders to keep behaving badly, but I understand having to choose your battles. Only the person in that situation can count the cost.

    Please play nice.
  8. by   kadokin
    Quote from rn/writer
    Okay, okay. It's time to settle down or the thread is going on ice.

    Citing instances you have seen or relating specific experiences isn't generalizing.

    And let's stay away from the whole PAs vs. nurses vs. docs vs. anyone else who gets in the way thing. It doesn't contribute anything but animosity.

    Anyone who thinks the OP is blowing smoke, once you've expressed your opinion, feel free to place him on ignore and seek out less aggravating topics.

    The reality is that for all the regulation and accountability MOST nurses live with, there are pockets of anarchy and resistance that your average person would find astounding. Some of this might be attributable to union "shops," but it also has to do with poor management that has habitually looked the other way while horrendous things take place. Think back a few years to some of the scandalous news stories about LTC facilities and smaller private hospitals. Intimidation is a subtle serpent, very hard to prove if the person isn't caught in the act.

    The common denominators in these situations are the abuse of power (bullying) and the lust for money (leading to inadequate staffing and supplies and just about forcing people to take ill-advised and illegal short cuts). Add to this the suspicion and power struggles that can arise between different groups and you have a recipe for several disasters.

    These things shouldn't happen, but they do. Just because you personally haven't witnessed such behavior (which can go so far as to become criminal) doesn't mean it isn't out there. If you haven't run across such problematic workplaces, count yourself blessed.

    I do believe that looking the other way--going along to get along--is an invitation to the offenders to keep behaving badly, but I understand having to choose your battles. Only the person in that situation can count the cost.

    Please play nice.
    Yes! Thank you!
  9. by   kadokin
    Quote from ortess1971
    The reason why I sounded the troll alert was that the OP has to have at least some intelligence to have graduated from PA school. Therefore, I have a really difficult time believing that he thinks that the vast majority of nurses are nasty people who don't care about their patients. The first post was so black and white and confrontational and seemed designed to tick people off("Never understood nursing" is a prime example)-which it seems he was sucessful in doing. There are people who are lazy, nasty and passive aggressive in ALL fields in healthcare:nurses, CNA's, PA's and let's not forget doctors, who IMHO, have cornered the market on nasty far better than nurses ever will. He also seems to be under the mistaken impression that he is able to write people up..That one made me chuckle, if anything. I am kind of mad at myself for even posting this and thereby feeding the troll further, but I'm done now and this misguided soul is going on my ignore list..Something tells me though, that I don't even need to do that, because I think he's had his fun.
    Yeah, really. And he said his WIFE is a nurse. Can't he get some perspective from that? Or maybe she's as bad as the nurses he worked w/on the East Coast. I sure hope not. It would be tough to have to take that sort of abuse @home AND at work.
  10. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from aph401
    how did the last few posts generalize nursing? i spoke of ONE situation with ONE nurse. the person before me said "i have SEEN nurses...." nobody generalized, we spoke of situations WE personally had seen. i swear, you can't win on this forum!! unless you're 100% gung-ho about everything to do with nursing and everything about NURSES, you absolutely cant win on this forum. i found this out in the beginning in the student forum, when i posted the "group work fear" thread and later stated i wanted to become a PA, and was attacked for it. some nurses just can't live with the idea of anyone wanting to better themselves, or anyone thinking negatively about any aspect of nursing. it's sad.
    If you came across as implying that becoming a PA would make you better than a nurse (which is what you just did), then yes, I can see why you got negative replies.
  11. by   PANurseRN1
    Sorry, replied before reading mod. post.
  12. by   SFNurseC&S
    Hi,

    Well, being from the East coast people do speak their mind there. Maybe its the harsh elements. Don't know.

    I've been an LVN for 3 yrs. now and was a Medical Assistant for 12 yrs. before that. I found most RN's to be mean and probably burnt out. I was the only MA in an Oncology practice and we did 15 infusions a day, at least and 7 at a time. I ran around constantly. When I worked in other offices with RN's they constantly complained and whinned about doing one or two infusions a week! Honestly. When you always work hard you don't have time to worry about it.

    I love PA's they are much more humble than NP's who walk around with their noses in the air because they have more schooling than LVN's, RN's and PA's. I truly think its a class thing where every PA i've worked with or know are very sweet and humble. They work for the doctors too you know. PA'S save MD's butts constantly I think. They do lots of dirty work of the doctors also.

    As an LVN I treat all my coworkers with respect and kindness. If a doctor is pissy its not about me. I just do my job and be there for my patients. When a patient smiles and says thankyou it makes it all worth it.

    Good Luck,

    SF nurse clean&sober...
  13. by   kadokin
    Quote from SFNurseC&S
    Hi,

    Well, being from the East coast people do speak their mind there. Maybe its the harsh elements. Don't know.

    I've been an LVN for 3 yrs. now and was a Medical Assistant for 12 yrs. before that. I found most RN's to be mean and probably burnt out. I was the only MA in an Oncology practice and we did 15 infusions a day, at least and 7 at a time. I ran around constantly. When I worked in other offices with RN's they constantly complained and whinned about doing one or two infusions a week! Honestly. When you always work hard you don't have time to worry about it.

    I love PA's they are much more humble than NP's who walk around with their noses in the air because they have more schooling than LVN's, RN's and PA's. I truly think its a class thing where every PA i've worked with or know are very sweet and humble. They work for the doctors too you know. PA'S save MD's butts constantly I think. They do lots of dirty work of the doctors also.

    As an LVN I treat all my coworkers with respect and kindness. If a doctor is pissy its not about me. I just do my job and be there for my patients. When a patient smiles and says thankyou it makes it all worth it.

    Good Luck,

    SF nurse clean&sober...
    HHMMM . . .
    "Save MD's butts constantly and do lots of dirty work"
    Sounds a lot like nursing
    What do they want, a medal?

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