My don accused me of patient abandonment during a snowstorm - page 4

Today, I was accused of patient abandonment for leaving work during a snowstorm. Please enlighten me! I was working 7-3 last Tuesday, there was a snowstorm coming. I had asked my DON if I can do... Read More

  1. by   NurseScorpio88
    Quote from Here.I.Stand
    The only universe where that is abandonment is her fictional universe.

    She needs to woman up and own her decision. Not interfere with the livelihood of another person. I agree with the advice to get a lawyer. I would hope that a letter from an employment or nurse-attorney would set her straight
    I know. This had me all confused because I was told it's abandonment since I left the building without telling her amidst the storm.
  2. by   canoehead
    Right now, get a copy of any policies that relate to weather emergencies, so you have proof you don't have to check in with the DON if the weather is bad. Also, save a copy of the facility printed schedule. They would have to notify you in writing to change your shifts formally. You'll have proof you did your own scheduled shift.
  3. by   gemmi999
    Make sure you document exactly what happened. Then save it/put it somewhere that you won't lose it. Any further communications--document away and save them. Show all documentation to a lawyer.
  4. by   /username
    My don kneecaps ******* on the reg. But really he doesn't do it himself, he gets the capos to do it.
  5. by   NurseScorpio88
    Quote from gemmi999
    Make sure you document exactly what happened. Then save it/put it somewhere that you won't lose it. Any further communications--document away and save them. Show all documentation to a lawyer.
    That is exactly what I'm doing right now. Writing everything that had happened. Thank you
  6. by   Have Nurse
    No. That is not abandonment. First, do 2 things: Contact your Union Rep if you have one. Next, contact the Board of Nursing yourself and report what happened. You will need to document everything and do it while it's fresh.

    Your patients were covered by the nurse to whom you reported off to. If your D.O.N. failed to contact you, or have Staffing contact you regarding your time off, then they are to blame, not you. And voice mails don't count, nor would they hold up in court because there is no guarantee that the voice mail will be heard. Many facilities do not accept voice mails for call offs etc. One has to actually speak to whomever is assigned to receive call ins.

    Don't let this lie. Clear it up pronto. Are you able to collect Unemployment in your state? It wouldn't hurt to get a statement from the nurse who defended you either.
  7. by   Wuzzie
    Quote from Have Nurse
    Don't let this lie. Clear it up pronto. Are you able to collect Unemployment in your state? It wouldn't hurt to get a statement from the nurse who defended you either.
    She should be able to collect unemployment. I'm pretty sure the DON is throwing around "abandonment" and "reporting" to try to prevent her from doing so because you can't collect if you were "fired for cause". The DON is all kinds of slimy. OP file for unemployment immediately. Call a lawyer immediately. You need to protect yourself.
  8. by   NurseScorpio88
    Quote from Have Nurse
    No. That is not abandonment. First, do 2 things: Contact your Union Rep if you have one. Next, contact the Board of Nursing yourself and report what happened. You will need to document everything and do it while it's fresh.

    Your patients were covered by the nurse to whom you reported off to. If your D.O.N. failed to contact you, or have Staffing contact you regarding your time off, then they are to blame, not you. And voice mails don't count, nor would they hold up in court because there is no guarantee that the voice mail will be heard. Many facilities do not accept voice mails for call offs etc. One has to actually speak to whomever is assigned to receive call ins.

    Don't let this lie. Clear it up pronto. Are you able to collect Unemployment in your state? It wouldn't hurt to get a statement from the nurse who defended you either.
    At that time I was supposed to go to another floor because there was a call out. I approached her twice I said if I will do a double can I take the next day off. She said No twice and walk out. She kept insisting that I knew about it that I'm covering the other floor and that I left but then again I'm done with my shift I gave my status report, all my patients were stable. And everybody stayed expect me, I didn't stay because why would I if I'm not allowed to do a double and have a day off.

    I don't know about the unemployment. On my resignation I stated the reason why I'm leaving the Facility. Is that a bad thing? Or probably was that the reason why they fired me instead of waiting for my last 2 weeks to be done?

    And we dont have union.
  9. by   NurseScorpio88
    Quote from Wuzzie
    She should be able to collect unemployment. I'm pretty sure the DON is throwing around "abandonment" and "reporting" to try to prevent her from doing so because you can't collect if you were "fired for cause". The DON is all kinds of slimy. OP file for unemployment immediately. Call a lawyer immediately. You need to protect yourself.
    I don't think I'm going to get the unemployment. They will reason out about me leaving that day, thats probably their plan after all to fire me its just that I handed off my resignation earlier than what they've expected.
  10. by   JKL33
    Quote from NurseScorpio88
    At that time I was supposed to go to another floor because there was a call out. I approached her twice I said if I will do a double can I take the next day off. She said No twice and walk out. She kept insisting that I knew about it that I'm covering the other floor and that I left but then again I'm done with my shift I gave my status report, all my patients were stable. And everybody stayed expect me, I didn't stay because why would I if I'm not allowed to do a double and have a day off.
    Errrr....am I reading this wrong or is there actually a problem here?

    Are you saying that she told you that she needed you to stay and go to a different area - and that you tried to negotiate the next day off for doing that?

    It sounds like she wasn't saying no to the entire plan, but no to the idea that you would get the next day off after being mandated to stay longer that day.

    Anyone want to comment on whether this changes things? I was originally under the impression that OP had both 1) offered to stay and 2) tried to negotiate the next day off, and that 3) the DON said "no" to all of it.

    Now it sounds like that isn't exactly the case.

    It's very possible you are being accused of abandoning your job; not patient abandonment. And I'm reading correctly, that would be true. It sounds like that's the decision you made.

    ?
  11. by   Have Nurse
    Regarding unemployment: You should be able to apply for it, being fired is grounds to apply for it. Just explain in detail what happened in the narrative of the application. It would strengthen your claim if you can provide the contact information for witnesses. Be truthful and state to them what you stated to us.
  12. by   Wuzzie
    Quote from NurseScorpio88
    At that time I was supposed to go to another floor because there was a call out. I approached her twice I said if I will do a double can I take the next day off. She said No twice and walk out. She kept insisting that I knew about it that I'm covering the other floor and that I left but then again I'm done with my shift I gave my status report, all my patients were stable. And everybody stayed expect me, I didn't stay because why would I if I'm not allowed to do a double and have a day off.
    Wait, did you at any time ever agree to stay to cover the call-off on the other floor? It sounds like you did.
  13. by   Crush
    Ok, this then sheds more light. You were asked to cover r/t another nurse called off on another floor or unit. Aka, you were asked to float, agreed to it but tried to negotiate a day off. DON said no to the day off because of the snow, she could not make that kind of guarantee. So technically you did not abandon your patients since you reported off to the oncoming shift for your floor but you left the other floor high and dry. So the nurse there had to stay since you did not.

    I think that is what I am reading now?

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