Medication Aides - page 7

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  1. by   GLORIAmunchkin72
    I have never heard of CNAs beind allowed to do foleys or any kind of catheters. What state is that in?
  2. by   GLORIAmunchkin72
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    I am w/rusty on this. I believe STRONGLY no one but a licensed nurse should pass meds. These aides simply do NOT have all the pharmacology, pathophys, etc to truly understand the implications of what they are "passing"; jeez it is SO MUCH more than just sticking pills in a cup and handing em over!!!!! Yet, I WOULD BE HELD LIABLE for ADR's and other untoward effects? How bout med errors? How can an AIDE be held to this standard when they lack the education and training? And don't tell me a 2 week crash course would meet the standard. I do not buy it.

    Would I want my loved one medicated by an AIDE? NO way! In that same thread, how bout we train SCRUB NURSES to perform surgeries? Hey, why not in the cost-cutting environment we are in. COME ON!!!! This is wrong!

    I am NOT putting down aides, but to me, this is just dangerous practice and should be ILLEGAL! Therefore, ......I disagree w/.t totally. Just Another way for greedy suits and companies to save money in my opinion.
    Then you need to take this up with the State Department of your state because they're the ones who approved the program.
  3. by   GLORIAmunchkin72
    Quote from Rn2b204
    It is so amazing to me how nurses talk down on other professions like the one you are talking about in this thread CNA, CMA, and MA. I happen to be a CNA and have been for 12 yrs. I have also trained in the military as a EMT-B, and I have also got my Phlebotomy training as well. I have never passed meds, but I have started IV's , draw blood, did straight caths, foley caths, sterile and non-sterile wound care. I have also assisted in a codes and the physician when needed.In military we are allowed to give injections too.

    We are not trying to take your job some of us are happy with the jobs we have and just because we are not RNs doen't make us any less of a person. And if we are being refered to as a nurse just because we wear the same scrubs why is that so threatning to you??? I think the patient/ client see us as all PROFESSIONALS and may ask us a question that only a RN or LPN can answer that is fine. I wouldn't dare give advice on something that I don't know anything about and I would tell the person that I am not a nurse and have no problem referring them to one and I'm sure none of us do.

    I think if you feel as thought your license is on the line because the facility you work at staffs CNA, MA etc. then don't work there. But first some of you need to find out exactly what type of training we have instead of assuming and thinking just because we didn't go to school for 2+ years we don't know anything and we can't be taught. I know I was trained by RN's, Medical lab technologist, and Dr's.

    Most CNA's are using that as a stepping stone to becoming RN's one day and I think that is good for them and the nursing shortage.

    And to that person that made that coment on some CNAs not having a HS diploma but a GED....there are nurses that didn't graduate from high school and went on to get their GED and on to college. Yes, nursing schools except GED applicants. And what about a Nurse practitioner/ physician assistant she/he doesn't go through schooling nor training a doctor has should she be able to perform like a doctor and should the doctor take on that burden by having them work under them??? I don't think they complain as much as nurses do. And if they do I'm sure it's about something of importance.

    And some of us need to not be so cruel when talking about CNA, MA, etc. because there are some that all they want to do is be just that CNA or CMA.They don't need to hear nurses putting down the profession harping on how much school they had or didn't have and they are not competent because it wasn't as long as a nurse. It wasn't meant to be. You are missing the whole point.

    Nursing is so divided right now it's pitiful. Y'all complain about ADN, Diploma degrees, BSN on up to PH.D level.(who's the best, who's the greatest) The higher up one goes the more they seem to look down on each other when in fact you all sat for the same NCLEX to become REGISTERED NURSEs 1ST......or was it different??? NOPE!

    Just through that out there to say you all are never satisfied with other professions nor your own. STOP COMPLAINING AND HELP MAKE SOME CHANGES for the better. Don't just try to eliminate someones job because you feel your job is in jeopardy because of ones SCRUB OUTFIT AT WORK/ mistaken identity or because they have been certified to pass meds

    Some of y'all just sound miserable.....



    Rn2b204,

    I hope I will be an inspiration and not an irritation when I become and RN.


    sorry for this being so long and all the errors I get long winded at times.
    Well said. We are called "waitress!" by certain residents when we are passing food trays. We just laugh. Our egoes are not that fragile!
  4. by   GLORIAmunchkin72
    I didn't realize until I started reading some of these statements just how secure and down to earth our nurses are where I work, at least 99% of them. They appreciate all the help they can get and don't feel threatened by anybody. They are very patient and willing to guide and train students.
  5. by   KacyLynnRN
    Quote from ERNurse752
    Ah, here it is. I didn't know what you were talking about in your PM to me, because I posted this about two years ago.

    I guess the GED thing sounded bad now that I see it in print. I was thinking of my own cousin in particular, not trying to make a generalization. The general gist being that someone without a college degree in nursing should not be passing meds.
    Sorry too ER nurse...I guess I kind of blew my stack but in case you can't tell, I am pretty darn sensitive about the topic. I am 25 now and anytime someone finds out I didn't graduate high school, they act amazed that I could still go to college and be a nurse with "just a GED." I guess I should be more proud about it than ashamed, huh?
    Kacy
  6. by   GPatty
    Quote from KacyLynnLPN
    Sorry too ER nurse...I guess I kind of blew my stack but in case you can't tell, I am pretty darn sensitive about the topic. I am 25 now and anytime someone finds out I didn't graduate high school, they act amazed that I could still go to college and be a nurse with "just a GED." I guess I should be more proud about it than ashamed, huh?
    Kacy

    Kacy~ I already am a LPN and in school for my BSN. Guess what? I have "just a GED" too.....
    Stand tall and be proud...there are many reasons one cannot finish high school, but go back and finish!
  7. by   natasha700
    Quote from Rn2b204
    It is so amazing to me how nurses talk down on other professions like the one you are talking about in this thread CNA, CMA, and MA. I happen to be a CNA and have been for 12 yrs. I have also trained in the military as a EMT-B, and I have also got my Phlebotomy training as well. I have never passed meds, but I have started IV's , draw blood, did straight caths, foley caths, sterile and non-sterile wound care. I have also assisted in a codes and the physician when needed.In military we are allowed to give injections too.

    We are not trying to take your job some of us are happy with the jobs we have and just because we are not RNs doen't make us any less of a person. And if we are being refered to as a nurse just because we wear the same scrubs why is that so threatning to you??? I think the patient/ client see us as all PROFESSIONALS and may ask us a question that only a RN or LPN can answer that is fine. I wouldn't dare give advice on something that I don't know anything about and I would tell the person that I am not a nurse and have no problem referring them to one and I'm sure none of us do.

    I think if you feel as thought your license is on the line because the facility you work at staffs CNA, MA etc. then don't work there. But first some of you need to find out exactly what type of training we have instead of assuming and thinking just because we didn't go to school for 2+ years we don't know anything and we can't be taught. I know I was trained by RN's, Medical lab technologist, and Dr's.

    Most CNA's are using that as a stepping stone to becoming RN's one day and I think that is good for them and the nursing shortage.

    And to that person that made that coment on some CNAs not having a HS diploma but a GED....there are nurses that didn't graduate from high school and went on to get their GED and on to college. Yes, nursing schools except GED applicants. And what about a Nurse practitioner/ physician assistant she/he doesn't go through schooling nor training a doctor has should she be able to perform like a doctor and should the doctor take on that burden by having them work under them??? I don't think they complain as much as nurses do. And if they do I'm sure it's about something of importance.

    And some of us need to not be so cruel when talking about CNA, MA, etc. because there are some that all they want to do is be just that CNA or CMA.They don't need to hear nurses putting down the profession harping on how much school they had or didn't have and they are not competent because it wasn't as long as a nurse. It wasn't meant to be. You are missing the whole point.

    Nursing is so divided right now it's pitiful. Y'all complain about ADN, Diploma degrees, BSN on up to PH.D level.(who's the best, who's the greatest) The higher up one goes the more they seem to look down on each other when in fact you all sat for the same NCLEX to become REGISTERED NURSEs 1ST......or was it different??? NOPE!

    Just through that out there to say you all are never satisfied with other professions nor your own. STOP COMPLAINING AND HELP MAKE SOME CHANGES for the better. Don't just try to eliminate someones job because you feel your job is in jeopardy because of ones SCRUB OUTFIT AT WORK/ mistaken identity or because they have been certified to pass meds

    Some of y'all just sound miserable.....



    Rn2b204,

    I hope I will be an inspiration and not an irritation when I become and RN.


    sorry for this being so long and all the errors I get long winded at times.
    Since you are not I will say this. When you worked as hard as many of us on this thread to obtain licensure having someone pass your meds is not going to cut it. In case you haven't notice there is a Nursing practice act which states that the RN is the ultimate person responsible for his/her patient so if your medication aide, cna or pca makes a grave error it will fall on the RN. No one is miserable but very tired of certain interest groups attempting to downplay what Registered nurses do. I prefer to give my own meds so I know! There is much more to just passing a med. You have to know why you are giving for that patient know what to do in a emergency situation! Passing meds is a part of a nursing duty not the whole and to carve that portion is a big mistake. When the medication is given depending what kind you may have to assess the outcome of that medication I don't recall unlicensed personnel having that in their scope of practice. I am not putting down anyone it is a matter of your scope! Like nurses have no business writing doctors orders or performing procedures w/o an order! Why should this be any different. When the day comes when you have your license you may feel different. We have our patients lives in our hands and no one is going to jepordize my care of my patients for a few bucks less an hour!
  8. by   CHATSDALE
    different states have different rules/regulations in La. I have never heard of a cna giving meds....a lpn can start an iv but limited as to what kind of push..no blood products/hyperal .. in some facilities a tech (cna) insert foleys in ltc usually you have a lpn charge nurse and the duties and respondsibilities
    that go with that....we all do our jobs and look out for the best interests of our patients....some CNAs think they are LPNs, some LPNs think they are RNs and some RNs think they are MDs. and the MDs think they are GOD...
  9. by   Rn2b204
    Quote from natasha700
    Since you are not I will say this. When you worked as hard as many of us on this thread to obtain licensure having someone pass your meds is not going to cut it. In case you haven't notice there is a Nursing practice act which states that the RN is the ultimate person responsible for his/her patient so if your medication aide, cna or pca makes a grave error it will fall on the RN. No one is miserable but very tired of certain interest groups attempting to downplay what Registered nurses do. I prefer to give my own meds so I know! There is much more to just passing a med. You have to know why you are giving for that patient know what to do in a emergency situation! Passing meds is a part of a nursing duty not the whole and to carve that portion is a big mistake. When the medication is given depending what kind you may have to assess the outcome of that medication I don't recall unlicensed personnel having that in their scope of practice. I am not putting down anyone it is a matter of your scope! Like nurses have no business writing doctors orders or performing procedures w/o an order! Why should this be any different. When the day comes when you have your license you may feel different. We have our patients lives in our hands and no one is going to jepordize my care of my patients for a few bucks less an hour!






    Tasha,

    Like I stated in a previous post there are still going to be CMA, they are going to be passing meds and registered nurses are still going to be teaching the class to certify them to pass meds. There is nothing you can do about it but live with that fact. If these interest groups are down playing the nurses role and making you feel less of a nurse (because they got CMA's passing medications) then talk to the proper people to try to get that profession ELIMINATED. I would if I was in your situation WITH that sort of attitude about CMA.

    But until then CMA's are going to be around. Sorry if that gets under your skin.


    Rn2b204

    and on that note I'M done with this thread........................ :hatparty:
  10. by   natasha700
    Quote from Rn2b204
    Tasha,

    Like I stated in a previous post there are still going to be CMA, they are going to be passing meds and registered nurses are still going to be teaching the class to certify them to pass meds. There is nothing you can do about it but live with that fact. If these interest groups are down playing the nurses role and making you feel less of a nurse (because they got CMA's passing medications) then talk to the proper people to try to get that profession ELIMINATED. I would if I was in your situation WITH that sort of attitude about CMA.

    But until then CMA's are going to be around. Sorry if that gets under your skin.


    Rn2b204

    and on that note I'M done with this thread........................ :hatparty:
    CMA or wanna be will never eliminate nurses! It is the frugalness of longterm facilities that won't pay for REAL nursing care!
  11. by   GLORIAmunchkin72
    You are right on the button. I have never heard of CNAs giving meds either but in our facility we have had QMAs passing meds for as long as I can remember because that is THEIR SCOPE OF PRACTICE. Some of them has been Qs for 13 years of so. Nothing new.
    Quote from CHATSDALE
    different states have different rules/regulations in La. I have never heard of a cna giving meds....a lpn can start an iv but limited as to what kind of push..no blood products/hyperal .. in some facilities a tech (cna) insert foleys in ltc usually you have a lpn charge nurse and the duties and respondsibilities
    that go with that....we all do our jobs and look out for the best interests of our patients....some CNAs think they are LPNs, some LPNs think they are RNs and some RNs think they are MDs. and the MDs think they are GOD...
  12. by   Praying Nurse
    I am a Wyoming Nurse and you might contact the Lander State Training School to find out how they institued Medication Aides for their facility.The address is 8204 State Highway 789 Lander Wyoming 82520 Hope this will give you some inspiration.
    Quote from R.L.Silva


    I am asking this question of you because I have looked for days for my answer and am still empty handed. I need to know where I might find information on medication aides and their state practice limitations for Massachusetts. I know this is an odd forum to ask this question but I am at my wits end. I am doing this for a friend who Manages a Community Health Center. Thank you!
  13. by   monalisa67
    [font=Comic Sans MS]I'm not familiar with Massachusetts, R.L., but in the state of Michigan where I reside a Resident Aide/Nurse Aide is allowed to pass meds in certain facilities and some foster care homes. I know this personally because I worked as a Resident Aide for a number of years before (and while) I attended nursing school. I worked with the BI population and passing meds (including narcs) and giving insulin injections was just one of my numerous responsiblities. I must admit that I was a bit offended by some of the remarks made here. Although I know first hand that there are some people (licensed included) that should not be working in health care, not all Aides are incompetent. Personally, I was extremely careful when passing meds and had ONE med error in my 6 years of Aide work, which could've happened to anyone! (licensed included) My advice would be to hire someone who has experience passing meds, be it a Resident Aide, Nurse Aide, Medical Assistant, or Nurse. [font=Comic Sans MS]Oh, and by the way... for the person who made the "Bladder Irrigation" remark. I also worked as a private duty aide for a Quad with a suprapubic cath. I irrigated his bladder qd, along with his meds, bowel program & various other duties. He remained in good health. Good luck to your friend, R.L.!
    [font=Comic Sans MS]
    [font=Comic Sans MS]MonaLisa



    Quote from R.L.Silva


    I am asking this question of you because I have looked for days for my answer and am still empty handed. I need to know where I might find information on medication aides and their state practice limitations for Massachusetts. I know this is an odd forum to ask this question but I am at my wits end. I am doing this for a friend who Manages a Community Health Center. Thank you!

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