Male Nurses. - page 9

SO as a Male looking to become a Nurse one day... Is what they say true? Can a Male Nurse really find better jobs with better pay much easier than most Women Nurses? Are the amount of Men in... Read More

  1. by   MR.PICURN
    Ending my last post the way that I did was more for effect than anything............... What I did'nt say about my wife making less with more experience was that she no longer works in a hopital, which pays more than say does a local county treatment facility...
    That's all............. bye until next time
  2. by   karenG
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    the issue of a female must be present when a male doc or nurse provides care is not a law in most states and should not be. some hospitals make this requirement some don't. I do not use a chaperone when providing care for female patients unless the patient requests it. one the subject of it being a requirement the "patients bill of rights " states a patient may request a chaperone during exams and procedures . the chaperone does not have to be of the opposite sex, and this bill is the same for male and female patients. the chaperone may also be a family member or friend it does not have to be a medical personnel. the male doctors that say it is required it is just their preference. thankfully this is changing also.





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    at the risk of being shouted at again............... I have a friend called mike (who is now a matron!) who felt much the way you do Mark. Until the day a female patient accused him of attempted rape. that was so not funny. It caused him all sorts of problems and he now has a chaperone.

    Karen
  3. by   mark_LD_RN
    KarenG

    I guess as the old saying goes " to each his own" and so on.

    I don't use chaperones I know docs who don't and other male LD ob nurses who don't.

    my patients are comfortable with me and if they are not I swap with another never had a problem and do not forsee having one. and I am not dening that it is a possibility, but having a chaperone does not exempt you I know this as a fact a friend of mine is an OB doc always has a chaperone, well to make a long story short he was accused of being innapropriate with a patient. the chaperone had little effect on the outcome he still had to pay dearly and had his license restricted for a yr. not fair but it happens.


    On a side note do you know which gender Ob doc is accused and sued most often? it is the female

    do you know the gender of the only 3 nurses I know of and only one i know who was fired for inappropriate behavior was? it was females again

    so you see why I feel the way i do? I have no proble with chaperones, I also dont care if patients want a a room full of people when I examine her or if it is just me and her. if we are comfortable with each other and trust is built upon our professional relationship, I do not worry nor do i care. I always ask permision and inform my patients of everything before i do it. I always am professional and above board. and have a very open freindly report with my patients.

    a note for all nurses. recent studies show that the cold professional bedside manner has more lawsuits than the warm let me be your friend approach

    and did you notice Karen no yelling
  4. by   karenG
    hi Mark

    as you say- to each his own! I just wish people could get past stereotypes. Have you seen any of the 'carry on doctor' films? some of my patients think of nurses as portrayed in these films and that winds me up! I am not a busty brainless blonde put on this earth to be a male fantasy!! but that is a steriotype we meet here- the fact that I am 5'1 redhead is immaterial! I hate the fact that people judge you by the way you look, its something I try really hard not to do, both professionally and personally.

    I guess I know how you feel about the way people look at you and make assumptions- for me, the assumption would be that you are competent nurse...........and if you dont do your job well, then you can have your head to play with!

    :kiss

    karen
  5. by   teeituptom
    Howdy ya'll
    from deep in the rain of texas

    As a male nurse in ER, I never invade female privacy. It is not worth the risk. I know 6 diff male nurses who were nailed for that and I am not stupid enough to do the same. And in the ER there are very few times when a female needs to be examined by me. A good history and document phys. exam deferred to MD. There always enough female nurses where we can trade tasks off. Would I send a female nurse in to collect urethral cultures on a young male, no even if she is capable of doing it. It just isnt a polite thing to do. Either to the pt or to the nurse. If a female comes in with low grade temp, swollen sore breast, 2 months post partum and breast feeding. I dont need to examine, a good history from the patient and allow the MD to do the physical exam. Why violate patient privacy. The patient is a customer. We should do everything to make the patient happy and comfortable and to respect their privacy at all costs. Often this is difficult at times in the ER or anywhere in the hospital. But I place a high regard in respecting female and also male privacy. This is a very important issue to keep in mind at all times.

    Thats about all ya'll
  6. by   StinkyMcStinker
    Originally posted by atownsendrn
    I don't have the answer to any of your questions. But I can tell you that one hospital in the Metro Atlanta area is doing a male nurse calendar to "celebrate" the male nurses in its facility. No thongs please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    But I look "Dead Sexy" in a Thong.
  7. by   teeituptom
    I will pose, I dont just look "dead sexy" I look plain ole "DEAD"
  8. by   moonshadeau
    Just a note from the old chaperone thing.

    Do you routinely ask your patients what their comfort level in reference to you providing care? At the beginning of the shift, or procedure? Or do you just assume that since they aren't saying anything that they are ok with the situation?

    Just playing devil's advocate. And you know I don't know if I would say anything to the nurse of opposite sex, but it doesn't necessarily equate comfort either. But then that is my own hang up, and not the nurse's.

    Nurse of the opposite sex was the best I could come up with since male nurse isn't a good thing. Or it could be NURSEMAN, superhuman powers included and everything.
  9. by   Anabolic_One
    Originally posted by teeituptom
    Would I send a female nurse in to collect urethral cultures on a young male, no even if she is capable of doing it. It just isnt a polite thing to do. Either to the pt or to the nurse. If a female comes in with low grade temp, swollen sore breast, 2 months post partum and breast feeding. I dont need to examine, a good history from the patient and allow the MD to do the physical exam. Why violate patient privacy. The patient is a customer. We should do everything to make the patient happy and comfortable and to respect their privacy at all costs. Often this is difficult at times in the ER or anywhere in the hospital. But I place a high regard in respecting female and also male privacy. This is a very important issue to keep in mind at all times.

    Thats about all ya'll
    I dont think we (the nurse) should assume anything and don't think its really a matter of female /male privacy.... I guess what I am saying, is that If I was a patient (havent been a patient since I was a child),and I needed to be cath'd or needed some type of perineal care then I would much rather have a female nurse. I just think I would be much more comfortable......but thats just my personal preference......therefore I think we (the nurse ) should ask if they had a preference if that situation were to arise....
    Now I am still learning and have only expereinced this in school therefore I am no vet--> guess I am still a few stages before I would be considered green.
  10. by   mark_LD_RN
    Originally posted by moonshadeau
    Just a note from the old chaperone thing.

    Do you routinely ask your patients what their comfort level in reference to you providing care? At the beginning of the shift, or procedure? Or do you just assume that since they aren't saying anything that they are ok with the situation?

    Just playing devil's advocate. And you know I don't know if I would say anything to the nurse of opposite sex, but it doesn't necessarily equate comfort either. But then that is my own hang up, and not the nurse's.

    Nurse of the opposite sex was the best I could come up with since male nurse isn't a good thing. Or it could be NURSEMAN, superhuman powers included and everything.
    Ok let me try to make it clear for ya

    yes I always ask my patients their comfort level with me. no exceptions be it male or female.

    I always go around at the beggining of my shift right after report first thing I do is go in each room introduce my self by name and ask if it is ok If I am thier nurse for the day.

    before i do any procedure or exam I ask permission, ask who they want present, and ask them to tell me when they are ready.

    I NEVER assume anything especially about anothers thoughs or comfort level. even though often it is easy to tell ones comfort level.

    I always make it clear that they can have another nurse no questions asked. and on the rare occassion I had a patient refuse my care I wish them well told them bye and if i could do any thing for them to let me know.

    I always have the patients best interests in mind. if I did not I would not be a good nurse and I would not do the things that I do. I could just go to work each day and do the bare minimum required and still get bad the same. but i choose to work harder,longer and often for free to provide for my patients ever need and honor every one of their wishes to the best of my ability.

    I believe what cares me throgh and endears me to almost all my patients is that they can tell I am truely a kind caring and compassionate nurse who has their best interests in mind

    and as far as assuming comfort, I have it pretty well documented how my patients feel about me. all of our patients have to answer surveys at discharge. my name is mentioned on almost ever one,even if they were not my patient, it may have just been a brief interaction with them showing them to their room getting them water etc. but they have had nothing but nice things to say. I could provide you with plenty of examples if you like. not to mention the cards and things I recieve from them also.

    it is all in how one presents himself and cares him self. patients will pick up on fear and apprehension. I treat my patients like friends because to me that is who they are. he we can not connect on such a level I would find them another nurse who could do it , or who would not care to be that way.
  11. by   mark_LD_RN
    Originally posted by teeituptom
    Howdy ya'll
    from deep in the rain of texas

    As a male nurse in ER, I never invade female privacy. It is not worth the risk. I know 6 diff male nurses who were nailed for that and I am not stupid enough to do the same. And in the ER there are very few times when a female needs to be examined by me. A good history and document phys. exam deferred to MD. There always enough female nurses where we can trade tasks off. Would I send a female nurse in to collect urethral cultures on a young male, no even if she is capable of doing it. It just isnt a polite thing to do. Either to the pt or to the nurse. If a female comes in with low grade temp, swollen sore breast, 2 months post partum and breast feeding. I dont need to examine, a good history from the patient and allow the MD to do the physical exam. Why violate patient privacy. The patient is a customer. We should do everything to make the patient happy and comfortable and to respect their privacy at all costs. Often this is difficult at times in the ER or anywhere in the hospital. But I place a high regard in respecting female and also male privacy. This is a very important issue to keep in mind at all times.

    Thats about all ya'll
    I also work the ER and obviously we have different opinions or as you put ( maybe I am just stupid enough to do it) but I am not stupid and can prove that also

    I do not think it is a privacy issue ,it is perfectly ok for males to provide care for females just as it is perfectly ok for females to provide care for males. that is NOT a violation of privacy.do not know where you got that definition but you need to go look it up one more time

    as far as deffering the exam, I do the exams as required and as it should be done, if it is in my scope of practice and is indicated I do it.not to do so would be a disservice to your patient.AS they would not being getting the complete assessment required.

    and one thing that is over looked and often assumed is that males prefer males to care for them and females perfer females to care for them this is not always true. I know of quite a few that feel just the opposite way.

    thank goodness the patients are more open minded than a lot of nurses if not I would not have much to do. instead I am often over worked because my patients come in a request me or if i had them the night before the will insist I am there nurse again. so i often end up with the majrity of the patient load

    The one thing we agree on is that patients are customers and we need to do what ever we can to make them happy! and that is exactly what i do I fluff and puff them and even wash their feet


    this gender issue is blown way out of proportion, and most of the time it is by the nurses or docs.not the patients. I find the older nurses tend to think the way you have mentioned. but thankfully a lot of that is changing and people and nurses alike are starting to realize nurses are professionals and that gender is not the issue
  12. by   RN2007
    Teeituptom, I like very much the way that you think. And I am 37, not yet old, but not a young chic either. Many times patients do not want to embarrass themselves or someone else when they are put on the spot and asked if someone feels comfortable with a nurse, etc., providing care because most would assume that they are qualified to do it, however some people are more modest than others, especially women, I believe. Although it makes me a bit uncomfortable to say so to a male nurse, but I will nicely tell them I prefer a lady nurse. But my husband has told me many times that although he prefers a male doctor, he would rather a female nurse.

    And, while I am on this subject, I have had very bad care by very cold and indifferent lady nurses when I had my back operation. Because I was in the hospital for several days and could not move on my own hardly at all, I could not bathe myself. And, I was very offended by two different lady nurses who had the nerve to move around my gown and start bathing me, without even waking me up to tell me what they were doing. Each time, I woke up while a "stranger" was doing this and I felt like slapping them but of course I did not, I probably gave them the evil eye and remember telling them to stop for a minute. I told them in the future they need to wake me up because it is startling to be dealt with in this manner and wake up in the middle of such. Keep in mind that I stayed groggy because of the IV morphine that I was given for pain. Anyway, both times, the nurses just acted as if it was normal for them to do such on patients who could not get out of bed and could not do their own bath. I was wondering how any of you nurses deal with bathing patients in bed - don't you wake them up first? Of course, I understand if they are in a coma you can't, but I could have been woken up.
    Some of these things should be common courtesy and common sense.
  13. by   mark_LD_RN
    RN2007

    of course I would wake a person up before bathing or doing procedures on them. that was terribly inconsiderate to have that done to you the way it was. I would have complained big time about that.

    but on the other subject i do not buy it that people are affraid to speak up. some maybe but not most. I personally know my patients are comfortable with me. I know this from many different means, must comments I hear or as I am walking out of a patients room, I hear them say how nice I am,sweet,what a good nurse I am etc,this said not knowing I heard them. often the same comments are told to me right up front. other times I see them in the surveys which are confidential no patients names are on them and they are turned in ,in sealed envelopes to patient care representative. which we are shown the ones that are about us good or bad and ones that concern our unit as a whole. not once Have i had a bad comment on them. and not to mention the docs often ask me to care for certain patients or pass on things my patients have said about me again never had a bad comment.


    each person /patient has rights and i inform them of them up front. and give them every opportunity to express their desires. and if i sense any hesitancy on their part or discomfort I would get them another nurse. gladly

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