Male Nurses. - page 4

SO as a Male looking to become a Nurse one day... Is what they say true? Can a Male Nurse really find better jobs with better pay much easier than most Women Nurses? Are the amount of Men in... Read More

  1. by   roxannekkb
    Jussurfin originally wrote:
    It's just my opinion but I think it is only a matter of time before female physicians outnumber male physicians, maybe in 20-25 years if not sooner. And, in my opinion, I also think that males will outnumber females in the nursing profession but it will take much longer, maybe 40-50 years. The ratios for both doctors and nurses may in the vicinity of 60-40%. And yes, one day we will have a female President!


    Well, I have to differ. I don't think men will ever outnumber women in nursing. Take another traditional women's profession--teaching. Men now number about a quarter of the teaching force, and that has remained stagnant to slightly decreasing. The number of men entering nursing has been stagnant, and regardless of what you think of statistics and studies, this particular researcher's work showed that men are leaving nursing at a faster rate than women.

    Until nurses demand and get more respect, better pay, better working conditions, and so on, I don't think that men are going to be attracted to it. Plus, the work itself just may not attract a lot of men. There are a lot of variables, but despite aggressive recruitment of men, it just hasn't happened. When I first started nursing school, one university in California offered extra "points" to males, sort of like affirmative action.

    Anyway, I think it would be great to get more men into nursing because I think they would help the profession and improve it's image. I just don't think the public takes a profession filled with women seriously. But it's a catch-22--I don't think men are going to pour in until it improves, but I don't think things will really improve until we get more men.[
    Last edit by roxannekkb on May 29, '03
  2. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by Jussurfin
    This gender reversal trend is happening under our noses with doctors but only in reverse and at a more rapid rate. Of the currently practicing physicians, approximately slightly more than a third are females. In many if not most medical schools, there are more female medical students than males. As an aside, if anyone saw the repeat segment "Boys & Girls" on "60 Minutes" this past Sunday one quote was, "Girls don't want to be nurses anymore, they want to be doctors." The segment chronicled how girls generally excel and do better than boys in school, how they often receive preferential treatment by mostly female teachers and how the boys tend to be overlooked.

    It's just my opinion but I think it is only a matter of time before female physicians outnumber male physicians, maybe in 20-25 years if not sooner. And, in my opinion, I also think that males will outnumber females in the nursing profession but it will take much longer, maybe 40-50 years. The ratios for both doctors and nurses may in the vicinity of 60-40%. And yes, one day we will have a female President!

    Nothing is as constant as change.........

    Interesting post. I've heard that female MDs in school are now outnumbering men for the first time, about 51% to 49%. So it is happening. I see in our residency program here, more female interns than male.

    I'd love to see a female president. I vote for Hillary!

    I'm not sure about men overtaking nursing though. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but the average male doesn't have what it takes. Qualities of empathy, compassion, gentleness, caring are needed to suceed. Males are not generally raised this way, we are raised to be competitive, agressive, selfish, etc. Not to knock my own gender, because those qualities have served us well in the military, in busienss, politics, and many other professions.
  3. by   hogan4736
    Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy
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    I'd love to see a female president. I vote for Hillary!

    I'm not sure about men overtaking nursing though. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but the average male doesn't have what it takes. Qualities of empathy, compassion, gentleness, caring are needed to suceed. Males are not generally raised this way, we are raised to be competitive, agressive, selfish, etc. Not to knock my own gender, because those qualities have served us well in the military, in busienss, politics, and many other professions.
    Hillary as president??

    what a joke...

    talk about a crappy role model for women...

    her husband admittedly received oral in the oval office from an intern (while he was married to her) and she smiled for the cameras, and stood by him. She knew she'd later be running for office, and played nice for that reason only. Can you say media whore?

    Plain and simple, she's a horrible role model for those "empathic, compassionate, gentle, and caring" women about which you speak...

    Your quote, not mine!


    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Damn Liberals!

    Come out from behind your gender bias 3rd shifter...There are PEOPLE that fit your description (empathic and caring) , not just women (or men)...

    Face it, some PEOPLE can't care well for patients. Some are men, some are women...

    get over yourself...
    Last edit by hogan4736 on May 29, '03
  4. by   RNman0602
    I don't think that more doors open to males, then females in this profession. however, if you feel you are making more pay for your position than a woman with the same title, remember this.... When a 500lb gastric bypass patient needs repositioning.... When a roudy patient gets out of hand.......
    When a large patient falls out on the floor and needs to be hoisted back into the bed...
    When a 300lb barrel-chested man needs chest compressions....
    guess who they're going to call on...yup...YOU!
    I constantly get called on (by OTHER UNITS, mind you) to help them perform these tasks, and I do them willingly, because it increases my value as an associate at my hospital, and because I want to. Don't look over your shoulder and be afraid that you might make more than others. Be proud and do your best...GOOD LUCK!!!
  5. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by hogan4736
    Come out from behind your gender bias 3rd shifter...There are PEOPLE that fit your description (empathic and caring) , not just women (or men)...

    Face it, some PEOPLE can't care well for patients. Some are men, some are women...

    get over yourself...


    Gee, only 30 minutes until a flame. I don't mind a good flame. I can handle it. You say "get over yourself"......I am already....sigh.

    I was basing my bias on observations and experience in my world. I look around me at men, my neighbors, friends, and family. If I had to pick 20 nurses out of those people, I'd pick only a few men. But I'd also rule out many women as well. So your point is well taken. I hope you or anyone else didn't take it as "men don't make good nurses" because that's not what I said. I said "the average male". But what is average. Probably the "average female" doesn't have what it takes either.



    I was kind of tongue in cheek about Hiliary. There is too much passionate hatred for her to ever be president. I was totally over her "stand by your man" crud she did while he was prez. She should have dumped his ass president or not.
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Just amazing...some things never change. we can't keep from flaming each other in what was a thread started in earnest. To me, unbelievable, considering how we are all college- educated and supposedly empathetic people. Why we always have to bring POLITICS into every issue these days is beyond me, but then I guess a lot is.

    I agree with those who say some are cut out for nursing; some should not be nurses and it has NOTHING to do whatever with gender. There *are* women who should get out YESTERDAY, they are so mean and surly. Far from "nurturing" beings that I can see. If a man burns to be a nurse, I say go for it; but don't expect preferential treatment---that is reserved for our esteemed physicians, at least where I WORK.

    Oh and before I forget I had to address your "stroked ego" remark. Do NOT expect your EGO stroked, as you refer, as a nurse. Expect it STOMPED beyond recognition by others who love nothing more than to see or make it happen. That is not unusual in nursing; just read some of the posts/threads here to see how it is in our world. But with a strong CONSTITUTION (rather than ego) you will do fine. Get into it for the RIGHT reasons, that you really WANT to do this, or just don't bother. You will burn out too fast otherwise, believe me.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on May 29, '03
  7. by   Used and abused
    My experience with male nurses is limited, but I have heard the same thing over and over from female nurses; "Those guys think we are here to wait on them too!" Seems the med/surg role I can think of 2 men who were hard working and wonderful to work with. I can think of 4 who were lazy and seemed bored. I can think of 3 in OR who were fabulous. Guess it depends on personality and drive.
  8. by   mayberry
    It's been my experience that the way male nurses are viewed depends upon the personality of the unit and the culture of the facility one works in. Most of it has been for the good and on a positive note. I usually prefer to have a male nurse around - the caddiness and negativity drops a notch or two. And let's face it we are a "profession" that is not exactly known for being the most "compassionate" or "empathic" towards our own. Isn't that the bigger issue.
  9. by   hogan4736
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    ...but don't expect preferential treatment---that is reserved for our esteemed physicians, at least where I WORK.

    I certainly hope this remark was tongue in cheek...

    Everyone desrves preferential treatment...From the housekeeping staff to the CEO...

    We shouldn't live by a caste system in health care...

    Sorry about the political (Hillary) rant, but anyone who holds that woman in high esteem (in regards to role modeling) is misguided...

    3rd shifter, you say the average man doesn't have hat it takes...I agree, but would go one step further...The average PERSON doesn't have what it takes too be a nurse...

    Here's to flameless posts...Just speaking my mind...
  10. by   nialloh
    As a male nurse, the only time I'm treated differently to a female nurse is when someone needshelp to lift or boost a patient. And that's fine with me:-)
  11. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Originally posted by hogan4736
    I certainly hope this remark was tongue in cheek...

    Everyone desrves preferential treatment...From the housekeeping staff to the CEO...

    We shouldn't live by a caste system in health care...

    ..
    There is the IDEAL(what you say here), and then there is the REALISTIC. I can go on and on to illustrate my point but I won't. Suffice it to say, Dr's DO get preferential treatment in so many more ways than I can say here. In ways that should not happen, but they do. It's fact, not fiction or Tongue-in-cheek.
  12. by   hogan4736
    blue eyes, I agree w/ what you say about the realistic, but also will say this:

    We as nurses (male or female) do not help matters (in respect to the perception of docs being godlike) by being their doormats. We need to stand up to them as a whole, and the more we do that, the more preferential treatment we'll recieve
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I am no one's doormat. But that does not mean when my car gets broken into, security will give a hoot. (they don't). Let a DOCTOR's car get broken into the same night and watch 'em run. Yes, this happened where I work recently. Yes it sucks. It has NOTHING to do with anyone being a doormat for someone else. This is just ONE illustration that has nothing to do with being subservient; preferential treatment is extended based on title not personality traits in most hospitals. It's just how it is.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on May 29, '03

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