Male L&D nurses - page 5

something i noticed while going through the nursing program was every male nursing students fear and dread of the obstetrics floor. in fact, one man in my class was not even able to participate much... Read More

  1. by   nurseunderwater
    Quote from Alnamvet
    Right on. For me, police, fire, rescue, combat pilots, ship commands, Spec Ops, submariners, big game fishing, auto mechanics, factory jobs, mining, construction workers, ship builders, astronauts, black bag ops, politics, et al are for men only, and about men and it makes sense for men to attend to male dominated world events. But for others, it really doesn't matter and a female in a male dominated profession would be fine. Let the voters decide.
    um...just how exactly do any of these positions r/t assisting a woman during childbirth? not really getting the point
  2. by   BRANDY LPN
    Quote from jwk



    I think the ONLY time that a request for having no males present would be reasonable would be for religious reasons. As long as a nurse of the opposite gender in ANY specialty conducts themselves in a professional manner there shouldn't be a problem. Simply being "uncomfortable" is not a good enough reason.


    Quote edited for space.

    I agree with everything you said except that victims of sexual abuse/ rape also have a valid reason for a request for no males present.
  3. by   nurseunderwater
    Quote from jwk
    Simply being "uncomfortable" is not a good enough reason.
    ...
    oh forget all this PC crap.. :stone ..I so wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. If I don't want to have a man with me - aside from my dear husband while delivering my baby it is my right to say so. what a load of malarkey.

    I would love to post an even longer rebuttal but alas my 3 kids are calling.
  4. by   camay1221_RN
    Nurseunderwater,

    I'm with you on this one!

    If it is not comfortable to have a man present, and there is one present against her will, the facility is setting themselves up for legal action.

    Personally, I am not opposed to male RN's in any aspect of nursing, including L&D. My OB is a man, I had male med students in two of the three of my deliveries, and I was comfortable with all of it. However, peoples preferences should be respected as long as they are within reason.


    Quote from nurseunderwater
    oh forget all this PC crap.. :stone ..I so wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. If I don't want to have a man with me - aside from my dear husband while delivering my baby it is my right to say so. what a load of malarkey.

    I would love to post an even longer rebuttal but alas my 3 kids are calling.
  5. by   ayndim
    Quote from nurseunderwater
    oh forget all this PC crap.. :stone ..I so wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. If I don't want to have a man with me - aside from my dear husband while delivering my baby it is my right to say so. what a load of malarkey.

    I would love to post an even longer rebuttal but alas my 3 kids are calling.
    I completely agree with you. Being uncomfortable is a good enough reason.
  6. by   nurseunderwater
    I think what alarms me most about this thread is the focus on the needs of the nurse. Where is this coming from? This is not a surgical or medical patient. She (unless there are other issues) is in a state of homeostasis. To potentially interfere with this because of ones own ego is disturbing to me.

    We know that childbirth is a completely subjective experience and that it progresses due to subtle shifts in neurotransmitters and hormones. Why in the world would one find it reasonable to create a situation that increases the laboring mothers stress responses and in doing so place both mother and neonate at greater risk? We all know the cascade of interventions r/t a "stalled" labor; frequent cervical checks, rupture of membranes, pit, epidural, antibiotics for extended rupture of membranes, increased risk of c-section.

    If an animal - and yes we are animals - finds herself in what she perceives to be a hostile environment her labor will stall. I am sure many L&D nurses have witnessed this phenomena in their units....hmmmmmmmmmm.....she was doing so nicely before she arrived, then - nada. Sometimes around 3-6 cms a little narcs or an epidural come into play. Why does this work so well so often? I would hazard to guess that in some cases we have successfully overridden the innate protective mechanisms that this woman possesses regarding her perception of safety whilst laboring. I would truly be interested in seeing any research that has been done on women in labor with a male L&D nurse present against her best wishes.

    To classify this patient in the same category as one coming in for the sole purpose of a medical intervention is preposterous. This classifies birth with disease processes. When has a normal birth with a healthy mom and baby become recognized as a medical intervention?

    I need to say too that I think putting the issue of color in this thread as a platform for argument is inflammatory at best.

    I also take issue with the argument that there are male OBs and female urologists. These pts have for the most part chosen these health care providers so the argument is moot. They don't know who are they are getting when they check into L&D. Based on their level of comfort with a provider of the opposite sex should have the right to request another nurse.

    I have a feeling I'll be back.

    That's my story and I'm sticken' to it.

    Kate
    Last edit by nurseunderwater on May 29, '04
  7. by   lisamc1RN
    Am I to understand that there are some in this thread that would insist that a laboring woman who is requesting a female nurses must keep the male nurse? :stone This isn't about the nurse, it is about a laboring woman! If I don't want a male nurse at my bedside, by golly you had better get me another nurse! Otherwise, expect me to find a more accomodating facility with my next birth. You can also expect me to file a complaint! Women who are completely healthy and come to the hospital to have their babies have the right to choose who will be in that room with them. Why is it ok to say "ok, you can have the epidural to make you more comfortable. Heck, if you'd rather have a c-section, we will support you, but we draw the line at getting you a female nurse."?

    As for male OB's being present, that is also a woman's choice. Obviously, if a woman is allowing one man in the room and not another, this isn't about discrimination, but about what feels right to the woman and what will help her to birth her baby with as little stress added as possible. Take these choices away from birthing mothers, and you will lose patients to places that are more willing to support them during such an important time in their lives.
  8. by   lisamc1RN
    Quote from BRANDY LPN
    Quote edited for space.

    I agree with everything you said except that victims of sexual abuse/ rape also have a valid reason for a request for no males present.
    So a woman comes to the hospital in labor and requests a female nurse. You are going to ask her if she was ever raped or sexually abused to see if she qualifies?
  9. by   Tony35NYC
    How unfortunately myopic! Most women would never even give a second thought to lying spreadeagled in the lithotomy position while a male physician probes with a light and an examination device. Male doctors pull babies out of women's bodies all the time, so what's the big deal about male nurses assisting in the process?

    As for "feminine mystique" to the birthing process. Hogwash! There's nothing exclusively feminine about birth. Birth is naturally made possible as a result of sexual intercourse, and there's definitely a 'male' factor involved in that whole process.

    Please! There's nothing any more litigious about a male nurse assisting women with birth as there is with a female nurse putting a urinary catheter on a man. I've often wondered how women who are so frigid about the female body manage to have intimate relationships with men.


    Quote from Farkinott
    I think some things should be left alone and I reckon midwifery should be lft to women. I know that there are male midwives around but for the life of me I can't understand why a man would want to work in such a position!
    I have assisted in emergency births but would hate to have to deal with that kind of stuff on a regular basis!
    I like to try and retain images of "feminine mystique" and birthing and its associated processes totally destoys that! I feel sorry for any bloke that wants to do midwifery but is restricted by clients only wishing to deal with a female, but i can see where they are coming from. As a male you would be putting yourself in potentially litigious situations on a regular basis due to the intimacy of scope of practice. i reckon it I would look a bit silly trying to teach a woman how to breastfeed too!
  10. by   Tony35NYC
    Much ado about nothing!


    Quote from nurseunderwater
    I think what alarms me most about this thread is the focus on the needs of the nurse. Where is this coming from? This is not a surgical or medical patient. She (unless there are other issues) is in a state of homeostasis. To potentially interfere with this because of ones own ego is disturbing to me.

    We know that childbirth is a completely subjective experience and that it progresses due to subtle shifts in neurotransmitters and hormones. Why in the world would one find it reasonable to create a situation that increases the laboring mothers stress responses and in doing so place both mother and neonate at greater risk? We all know the cascade of interventions r/t a "stalled" labor; frequent cervical checks, rupture of membranes, pit, epidural, antibiotics for extended rupture of membranes, increased risk of c-section.

    If an animal - and yes we are animals - finds herself in what she perceives to be a hostile environment her labor will stall. I am sure many L&D nurses have witnessed this phenomena in their units....hmmmmmmmmmm.....she was doing so nicely before she arrived, then - nada. Sometimes around 3-6 cms a little narcs or an epidural come into play. Why does this work so well so often? I would hazard to guess that in some cases we have successfully overridden the innate protective mechanisms that this woman possesses regarding her perception of safety whilst laboring. I would truly be interested in seeing any research that has been done on women in labor with a male L&D nurse present against her best wishes.

    To classify this patient in the same category as one coming in for the sole purpose of a medical intervention is preposterous. This classifies birth with disease processes. When has a normal birth with a healthy mom and baby become recognized as a medical intervention?

    I need to say too that I think putting the issue of color in this thread as a platform for argument is inflammatory at best.

    I also take issue with the argument that there are male OBs and female urologists. These pts have for the most part chosen these health care providers so the argument is moot. They don't know who are they are getting when they check into L&D. Based on their level of comfort with a provider of the opposite sex should have the right to request another nurse.

    I have a feeling I'll be back.

    That's my story and I'm sticken' to it.

    Kate
  11. by   nurseunderwater
    Tony -I have to say that your one-dimensional perception of women either makes you seem very young or of limited experience. I also find your description of women during exams repulsive. :stone:

    When you gain some respect for the diverse nature of women as a culture perhaps we can explore this further. In the interim - I wish you opprtunites for greater insight into the complexities of feminist culture. This is kind of a mojo - part of that "women's mystique" crap of which you spoke.

    Kate
  12. by   jwk
    Quote from nurseunderwater
    oh forget all this PC crap.. :stone ..I so wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. If I don't want to have a man with me - aside from my dear husband while delivering my baby it is my right to say so. what a load of malarkey.

    I would love to post an even longer rebuttal but alas my 3 kids are calling.
    Sorry I couldn't post a longer statement - I was busy doing C-Sections.
  13. by   nurseunderwater
    Tony -

    Just saw this:

    "I wasn't going to confess this, but what the heck. I'm only halfway through nursing school and I love it, especially the patient teaching part. I really love working with people and helping them to get better. I seriously believe I'm on the perfect career path for me, and its not just because of "helper's high". "

    hard to reconcile this with the same person who posted above.

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