Male Contraception??? - page 4

What a heavenly idea, don't you think? How many men reading this would take a shot or pill as a birth control method since it is OBVIOUS that the condom isn't being utilized to control "unwanted... Read More

  1. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    I meant NO male bashing here. IF anything I said was contrived as such, let please clarify. I believe couples need to be careful to prevent STD spread AT LEAST as much as pregnancy. No, personally, I would not rely on a man to do this FOR me. But I am in a monogamous relationship 16 years running now. STD's are not a problem for us that I know of. However......

    I know monogamy is NOT the reality of SO MANY YOUNG sexually-active couples. Pregnancy prevention is only *part* of the responsiblity of a sexually-active couple. I just worry in our "pill-happy" society (USA), this would be seen as yet another "silver bullet" and even open up minds to MORE carelessness down the road. NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH MEN BEING irresponsible or responsible. IT TAKES TWO.

    Anyhow, I hope I am understood; no male bashing going on here.

    well said
  2. by   live4today
    Originally posted by Kristi2377
    ......................................Women and men should take responsibility for all the consequences related to intimate
    sexual activity.

    I'm absolutely in favor of male hormonal birth control as an ADJUNCT to additional birth control/disease prevention methods.
    Kristi, this is exactly the point of my starting this thread.

    It was NOT to leave out the STD issues, but to stress the importance of NOT bringing another life into the world that was NOT thought about beforehand. This is what angers me the most.

    People catch diseases because they did not use protection...and being married is NOT a foolproof method either as many married and formerly marrieds can vouch for.

    When they catch those diseases, it is they...and only they...who must live with the consequences. Every action has a reaction, ya know.

    My thought is BOTH partners need to start taking responsiblity for a life that has no voice in their union......the baby that is created in unions between two irresponsible people.

    Have unprotective sex, your consequence may be an STD and a baby.........neither of which was planned. You will suffer from the STD, but so will the baby that wasn't thought of in the selfish acts that created life on top of a lot of other problems. We do NOT have the right to be careless in this way. The "ACT" is just NOT about the two consenting adults, it is about a possible third person "unseen" at the time, later seen as an "oops, didn't count on that baby".

    People are going to have sex anyway, so all I am saying in defense of the uncreated child is STOP and protect yourself so you won't get pregnant with a child that has no voice about being created in the mess being made by that "act".

  3. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Originally posted by cheerfuldoer
    Kristi, this is exactly the point of my starting this thread.

    It was NOT to leave out the STD issues, but to stress the importance of NOT bringing another life into the world that was NOT thought about beforehand. This is what angers me the most.

    People catch diseases because they did not use protection...and being married is NOT a foolproof method either as many married and formerly marrieds can vouch for.

    When they catch those diseases, it is they...and only they...who must live with the consequences. Every action has a reaction, ya know.

    My thought is BOTH partners need to start taking responsiblity for a life that has no voice in their union......the baby that is created in unions between two irresponsible people.

    Have unprotective sex, your consequence may be an STD and a baby.........neither of which was planned. You will suffer from the STD, but so will the baby that wasn't thought of in the selfish acts that created life on top of a lot of other problems. We do NOT have the right to be careless in this way. The "ACT" is just NOT about the two consenting adults, it is about a possible third person "unseen" at the time, later seen as an "oops, didn't count on that baby".

    People are going to have sex anyway, so all I am saying in defense of the uncreated child is STOP and protect yourself so you won't get pregnant with a child that has no voice about being created in the mess being made by that "act".


    well said
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I dunno, the Pill fails literally **THOUSANDS** of women each year with PERFECT use. (figure 1% failure rates among MILLIONS of users, and you see that leaves a LOT of couples shocked, disappointed and now yes, a new life brought into the picture). A very valid concern.

    I would dare say, the stats would be the same w/a male contraception, with PERFECT use, that is. I guess time will tell. That is why coupling barrier method contraception WITH the pill makes much more sense to me than creating a male pill/shot.
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    Deb . . .just a couple of anecdotal stories to bolster your thoughts. One of the docs I work with told us that he and his wife got preggers with their last child while she was on the pill and taking it correctly. My niece got preggers on the pill when switching to a lower dosage. She was supposed to be using another method for a couple of months. And didn't. I'm sure there are thousands of stories.

    Birth control is NOT foolproof . . .

    steph
  6. by   NICU_Nurse
    My cousin got pregnant at 17 while she was using Norplant. She had it removed and began the Pill. She got pregnant again. A few years later, she was using a combo diaphragm/Pill and got pregnant with her third child and finally decided to have a tubal. Both myself AND my brother were conceived with the use of foam or jelly along with condoms. Obviously, the methods are greatly flawed. Combining sexual protection is the only way, aside from abstinence, that ups your chances of not getting ANYTHING, whether it be the clap or a bouncing baby boy.

    Cheerfuldoer, I do understand your concern about babies being conceived and born unplanned and what will happen to them. It is certainly a legitimate concern! I work in an NICU in a large urban area that is just TEEMING with unplanned babies, many of whom won't even have the "luxury" of being adopted to a family who WANTS a child but cannot conceive themselves; rather, too often they seem to end up with the same parents who thoughtlessly conceived them, and with dire consequences as we all know.

    I was just discussing this recently with some co-workers; I literally fear for our society and the state it will no doubt be in when we fast forward 20 years and these infants are now adults poised to accept the responsibility of the world. What type of society will it be, with a new generation of grandmothers who are only in their thirties? Will THEIR children (our children's children) be having babies even earlier? Already we have gone from seventeen year olds getting pregnant due to lax protection (as in my day in high school, not so long ago) to fourteen and fifteen year olds getting pregnant on a regular basis. I don't know about your area, but our SS dept intervenes only in extreme circumstances of inability to provide proper care; too frequently they are instead sending out home visits for 30 days with the promise that someone's aunt or sister or grandmother or mother will actually be the one in charge of the baby. About six months ago, we had an 11 year old who was having her first baby, and this was not the product of rape or molestation but a baby born out of what she claims was her "own personal decision" that she was ready to have one like everyone else. Eleven!!! What were YOU doing when you were ELEVEN? I can tell you what I was doing. I was in the fifth grade. I was teasing my bangs, wishing I was in high school, and still had a Barbie dreamhouse in the corner of my room. I was swooning over my Hot Dog! magazine pull-outs and playing tag and Freeze! with the kids on my block.
  7. by   Furball
    If people would only have sex when procreation is wanted we wouldn't have all these problems of unwanted babies......abortions wouldn't be needed.
  8. by   CougRN
    Where is it? And where do i sign up? I think it is a great idea as a male. I would love to have more control over birthing and the whole pregnancy process.

    Just an added note. Most of the female condom use is for male homosexuals. Just so you know that is where it is used most. This comes from a former AIDS counselor.
  9. by   debyan
    I had twins using the pill correctly my mom had twins also using the pill correctly too How spooky is that ?
  10. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Well certainly 11 YEAR OLDS HAVING BABIES IS A HORRENDOUS societal problem that is SCREAMING FOR ANSWERS AND OUR ATTENTION. I know, I work in OB; I see the tragedies as well as any NICU nurse does. So a male contraceptive solves THIS huge and troublesome issue...

    how?

    I think we better consider a heckuva lot more than new contraceptive methods in confronting teen and pre-teen pregnancy. And I think MANY pregnancies occuring under age 14 are NOT a result of a mutually-consenting sexual relationship, either. I think we are now talking about coersion, rape or the like.

    You have brought up some very valid concerns, Kristi. I agree! And I shake my head in sadness when I see younger and younger girls come in pregnant repeatedly---I have seen several multigravidas at AGE 17! Just had one had her 3rd baby with us.

    Coug---interesting note about female condoms---something I never thought of or considered!!!

    Somehow I think this very multi-dimensional and horrifiying problem is not gonna be solved overnight or with any magic pharmaceutical. I don't know what else to say, except it begins with me and educating my own kids better. It's about all any parent can do.
  11. by   NICU_Nurse
    We used to give out the female condoms for free, but they got dusty because no one wanted them! They'd even go through the bag and pull them out and give them back to us, they were so unpopular. I have attempted to use them a few times with my husband, and I have to say I'm not impressed with the "technology." We ended up laughing so hard each time we could barely get it on.
  12. by   SmilingBluEyes
    rofl kristi. yep sounds typical....
  13. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by Furball
    If people would only have sex when procreation is wanted we wouldn't have all these problems of unwanted babies......abortions wouldn't be needed.


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