LPN'S Supervising RNs'? How would you feel? - page 6

I would like to start out by saying that I do respect LPN's and I am in favor of advancing in everyones careers. I am an RN on a PCU. Our hosp changed the "directors" title to Clinical Care... Read More

  1. by   bmh-lpn
    Where I use to work we had an LPN Supervisor/DON over all nurses including the RN's. This was done thru a very large well known Hospital chain. Some RN's complained but nothing was ever done to change it. She was an excellant nurse! Better than some of the RN's complaining. Last I heard she still is in charge. I have no problem with it as long as she/he is fully capable to doing the job right.
  2. by   LaxNP
    I have notcied that many of you are saying that LPN's area acting as ADON's. But I thing that there is a big differemce between supervising and managing. You don't need to be an RN to manage RN's, you just need to be a manager and a good leader. I don't know if taht was in another post but that is my thoughts on teh whole thing. When I worked in a LTC facility the LPN's were there all teh time and when a per diem RN come on the floor they had no idea what was going on, but legally they were the charge nurse. I never understood why the LPN's, who were there day in and day out and knew the pts, well were not in charge of the floor. To me it just seemed safer and more productive.
  3. by   dougRN2BE
    What a spirited discussion. I enjoy reading everyone's opinions and feelings on the matter.

    I think it's unfortunate that there isn't a more humanist-oriented discourse taking place on the topic. We're all here for a purpose and hold different titles and have different experiences. Legalities are one thing, but respecting others for who they are and what unique characteristics they bring to the table is quite a simple task...

    Cheers to all,
    Doug :wink2:
  4. by   brendamyheart
    Quote from Vagon
    Sorry is this comes off as mean but that seems utterly ineffective and backwards. RNs are more highly trained, why would it be wise to have an LPN supervise them? Sure there are some older LPNs who may have the experiance to but it just isnt fair to the RNs who put out more time for school in my opinion.
    I am an LVN and most of what I have learned has been on the job and training. I respect RN's, however I am am in a leadership position for my job description( Medicare PPS). We work as a team,RN's, LVN,s, ect!!
    We are all nurses and we learn from each other were I work. I do not pretend I am no better or worse than any nurse, regardless of the tital. I learn from RN's and they learn from me. What a great combination.
  5. by   sqky
    My feelings.... If we each put as much energy into working together as a team, as we do deciding what letters behind someones name decides who will be in a management postition... all our work would be more satisfying to us as health care providers... and the client/patient benfits.

    We each have a state BON.

    The facilities which put LPN's in management roles must comply by rules.

    Don't you think JACHO and each states surveyors would be issuing warnings or shutting them down?

    As a LPN I have worked management in LTC and also a charge nurse. The two jobs had totally different job descripstions. One was hands on nursing, the second was paper work ... and more paperwork...
    Last edit by sqky on Sep 24, '06
  6. by   txspadequeenRN
    :yeahthat:





    Quote from sqky
    My feelings.... If we each put as much energy into working together as a team, as we do deciding what letters behind someones name decides who will be in a management postition... all our work would be more satisfying to us as health care providers... and the client/patient benfits.

    We each have a state BON.

    The facilities which put LPN's in management roles must comply by rules.

    Don't you think JACHO and each states surveyors would be issuing warnings or shutting down them down?

    As a LPN I have worked management in LTC and also a charge nurse. The two jobs had totally different job descripstions. One was hands on nursing, the second was paper work ... and more paperwork...
  7. by   rebel1
    I am confused, I have never heard of LVN's supervisors over RN's- I am an LVN and I just would not feel comfortable telling an RN how to do their job- I have been to RN school ( did not finish one course) ( stupid on my part) but I do know what they have to go though to get that title-it is not easy.
    In my current job I am the supervisor over the CMA's and I am embassed to even have that title on my badge- maybe I am old school- to me a supervisor is a RN.
  8. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from rebel1
    In my current job I am the supervisor over the CMA's and I am embassed to even have that title on my badge- maybe I am old school- to me a supervisor is a RN.
    My name badge reads "LVN Nurse Supervisor". I feel no shame or embarassment for wearing that badge.
  9. by   twotrees2
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    I know of at least one school that is. I've never seen so many arrogant, naive, self-entitled, prissy people in life as i have coming from one particular school. I've overheard their clinical instructor say "Concentrate on paperwork. That's what BSN nurses do, non BSN nurses are the floor nurses, you're their superiors, you hold the higher degree." And the students act as such. And i can only imagine what kind of reality check these people will get when the come to the real world, thinking that their 'floor nursing' job' is nothing but paperwork.

    I'm sure it's not an isolated attitude. There's probably more out there just like it.

    they can have their dang papaerwork - except their papaerwork is only making US more paperwpork - i understand the need to document all important things but some do go obverboard and we end up documenting way more than we need to.
  10. by   Jo Dirt
    While I don't use my RN title to lord over LPN's I would have to know how it was determined the LPN was qualified to supervise me.
  11. by   annmariern
    Two words. Hell no
  12. by   Haunted
    I got one! Worked a psych unit of a hospital chain, they were losing staffers like a fart in a windstorm, finally talked this little guy, Psych Tech, into being charge nurse for a while. It was inevitable that he would a: burst into tears and profanity and b: lock himself into the nurses station while barking orders over the intercom when things got hectic.

    Well, things always got hectic, these were frequent fliers who needed crisis stabilization, take downs, etc. and the floor nurses and techs where pretty much on our own watching each ther's backs. Did we take orders from Little Hitler? No. Did we respect him? No. Did we do our jobs and keep everyone, including that sniveling spineless wimp safe? Yes. We had a Unit Director who would make an appearance q shift and pretty much update the charts and prepare for shift report.
  13. by   hogan4736
    Quote from annmariern
    Two words. Hell no


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