LPN bashing... - page 5

:( Why do people not consider LPNs "real" nurses?? I have been an LPN for 6 yrs and I am SO sick of hearing people always point out that RNs can do so much more than I. So, why doesn't anyone ever... Read More

  1. by   nurs4kids
    When on earth has Suzy ever attacked blacks?????? I missed that one. (suzy, are you prn in hiding? lol)

    You know what I think sucks about this type thread?? It's always the same thing, nothing solved, more hard feelings made..
    and it originates as nothing more than a "someone please tell me I'm equal" thread.

    If you, as a LPN, feel less of a nurse, then you are. If you, as a LPN, feel equal to RN's then you are. Nothing said here can make you feel better. I currently work with one LPN and honestly, I hate it. I love the person, hate her limitations. THE LIMITATIONS PLACED BY THE BON. As a charge nurse, I AM responsible for her actions..or lack thereof in many cases. I've worked with four LPN's in my 6 yrs of nursing and there IS a general attitude FROM THEM, "I'm just a lpn..you'll have to do so and so". The one I work with right now, for example: Needs a RN to witness and administer IV narcotics. She will tell someone she needs them to give pt in room 610 some Morphine...then she will sit on her butt and wait on another nurse to witness..FOR HER PT. Of four LPN's, I have worked with one that was an awesome nurse..the rest had the, "it's not my responsibility attitude". My MIL was a LPN, my SIL is a LPN..both blow me out of the water with their nursing knowledge...because neither feel they are, "just LPN's". Both went into nursing because they wanted to care for the sick, not because they wanted to prove they were equal to or better than an RN. I've never heard either make a negative comment about RN's in general, NOR have I ever heard them state they are made to feel less or have to put up with complaints from their coworkers. MY SIL owns her own business and makes about six times what I make..and she's "just a LPN". Soooo, for those of you who want to feel sorry for yourselves, go on..keep dragging yourself down. For those who know you're a damn good NURSE..keep holding your head up high. Me? I'll keep biting my tongue about how I dislike working with LPN's (BECAUSE OF THEIR LIMITED SCOPE OF PRACTICE)...unless, that is, there's a thread like this started...
    btw..while you're flaming me.. I hate welfare too!
  2. by   Furball
    AFFLACK!!!!!

    Ok...whew...got it out of my system
  3. by   Stargazer
    Furball, you are cracking me up! :chuckle
  4. by   Stargazer
    Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy
    Thank you for pointing out that you felt demeaned by my post. I'm a charge nurse, and always called the nurses, RNs and LPNs "my nurses", "my crew" because we are a team.
    O/T, but I did want to respond to this. 3rdShift, I'm sure your intentions are benign, but FWIW, I've worked with both docs and nurses who do the "MY nurses" thing, and I've never met a single nurse who wasn't annoyed, offended, or insulted by it. My personal feeling is, it's patronizing and a bit of a power play. Unless you sign their paycheck, they're NOT "your" nurses.

    Your mileage may vary. I'm just sayin.'
  5. by   EXOTIC NURSE
    Well my experience with this situation is I recently passed my boards and I am a new grad RN but I have worked as a LPN for seven years prior and I went to the nursing office at my place of employment to turn in my badge so they could change the two lil letters from LPN to RN in which I feel I have earned...LOL.....but the secretary said to me......well we will not change your badge as you will still be working as a LPN so why should you have the RN badge. I told her to talk to my supervisor as she has been sadly misinformed. So she proceeded to go to my supervisor and say: " Since she has become as real nurse now she wants her badge changed but she will not be working on the units as a RN so can she change her badge." Now how in the world was I suppose to take that insult from her....I am proud that I did my LPN before I became a RN and I would not change it to be any other way. I feel that if a person chooses to remain an LPN then hey shall be it....my hat goes off to anyone who even tries to tackle nursing studies regardless if it is LPN RN or whateva we as nurses need to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE that is why our profession is looked down upon by many other professions because we cannot even come together it is a shame how the different levels of nursing argue back and forth over some stupid status ......it takes a whole team to run a shift CNA, LPN, RN , and all others accounted for to make a day go smooth. THat is my 10 cents on this matter.................
  6. by   Q.
    Originally posted by nurs4kids
    When on earth has Suzy ever attacked blacks??????
    In my spare time. And single mothers, and democrats, and welfare recepients....basically the complete opposite of the WHITE REPUBLICAN MALE (or female).


    Ok, sorry, not productive...I know.
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    It's all about "R-E-S-P-E-C-T...find out what it means to me..."

    ----yea isn't productive either, but I can't see why we don't GET THIS already, get over it and get on with it. I like sjoe's tagline:

    "we will get exactly as much crap as we will take" It is the truth.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Nov 2, '02
  8. by   ricquet
    i just want to say that without LPNs we would be over worked to the ground. i believe everyone has a part to play in patient care. i am a BSN in nursing coming august 2003. please LPNs dont feel offended we rns at time feel the same way too but just keep on doing your work as god would want us to do.
  9. by   Brownms46
    And fine nurs4kids...I'm glad you do hate welfare...and I hope you never have to use it, or any other program that assist those who need assistance. For those who abuse the system, I feel they shouldn't be able to! But I also feel there are reasons for why they do, and they are varied, and aren't solved by just telling them to go to work!

    I work and have NEVER used welfare, even as a single mom! When it took THREE jobs for me to make ends meet I did it...without FOOD STAMPS...and WITHOUT Medicaid..or any other kind of ASSISTANCE from government subsidies ! I sent my children to private schools, and I pay my daughter's FULL tutition WITHOUT the use of government grants, or loans!

    But too many times on here, I have seen that Susy k tends to jump into those issues that deal with race, LPNs, and welfare!...with most of them being negative remarks. I think it was back in a thread where she was accussed of being a racist...so I must not be the only one who has wondered!

    Second.. I have NEVER referred to myself as "JUST an LPN!!! NO where will you EVER find that written BY ME!!! And I have no reason to NOT be proud of what I do...and I'm making a lot more money than some folks, with a lot more LETTERS behind their name! And just because the LPNS you deal with Nurs4kids where you work at have a problem, and sit on their butt...I and other LPNS have seen RNs do the same thing!! But I have stated many times...just because you're an RN doesn't mean you have the same feeling about EVERY LPN. And EVERY LPN doesn't feel the same way about EVERY RN!! One more clarification here...TEXAS doesn't have a practice act, and LVNs there do NOT come under one!

    And every LPN isn't restricted the same way, and it isn't always the BON who is restriciting them. Many times it is the hospital, and in several hospitals, what LPNS can or can't do is guided by the RN committees, that come up with the standards for that hospital! Yet even though the BON in that state doesn't restrict the LPN in certains duties, the commitees of a hospital does!

    And who is on the BON of nursing in many states...especially the ones where RN and LPNs go thru the same Board??? RNs...so who is making those restrictions?? RNs And who is complaining about them...RNS!! And when the CALI board proposed to rewrite the restrictions placed on LVNs by hospitals reading into the what an LVN could or couldn't do in the form of IV therapy...it was RNs who tried to stop it! Thankfully they were unable to!!!

    And the Texas board is no near as restrictive with what an LVN can or can't do . Why?? Because the LVNs are on that board with ONLY one RN and she is in the position of educator. It is the an LVN who is the president of the board, and the majority that board are LVNs with a total of 7 in all!

    For those RNs who see the worth and the ability of LP/VNs to assist and be a contributing member of the healthcare team....I salute you...because you are more rare than you know! And for those who feel there shouldn't be any LP/VN in acute care...too bad there are...and as far as I can see they will always be!

    Last comment on this subject...but I felt Susy K's response was waaaaaay over the top! But from now on...I will resist responding to such antagonist posts in the future...because it only serves to continue to divide us...and that is what we really need in this field is more division...yeah right!!
    Last edit by Brownms46 on Nov 3, '02
  10. by   Q.
    Originally posted by Brownms46
    But too many times on here, I have seen that Susy k tends to jump into those issues that deal with race, LPNs, and welfare!...with most of them being negative remarks. I think it was back in a thread where she was accussed of being a racist...so I must not be the only one who has wondered!

    And this has to do with LPNs how.......?



    Brownie, do us all a favor. If you openly want to accuse me of being a racist or any other "hate crime" on this BB, do it in a PM. Or if you think a post of mine is hateful, report it to a mod. But don't continue to post inflammatory comments - I feel THAT only serves to stir up trouble..far worse than me suggesting that LPNs band together for the purposes of change, which you seemed to think was the absolutely worst thing I could ever say.
    Last edit by Susy K on Nov 3, '02
  11. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by Stargazer
    O/T, but I did want to respond to this. 3rdShift, I'm sure your intentions are benign, but FWIW, I've worked with both docs and nurses who do the "MY nurses" thing, and I've never met a single nurse who wasn't annoyed, offended, or insulted by it. My personal feeling is, it's patronizing and a bit of a power play. Unless you sign their paycheck, they're NOT "your" nurses.

    Your mileage may vary. I'm just sayin.'
    O.K. Thanks for pointing that out. (BTW where are you? Perhaps it's a southern thing? Because I've never heard anyone complain when it's meant lovingly). Not to get defensive, since I don't use it that often, usually with staffers or managers "my nurses need more help!". (The staffer calls all of us her nurses too, and she has no authority over us, and I've never heard a complaint). But I hear you and understand what you are saying.

    Again, I hope my insult didn't overshadow my initial point which is I have to utmost respect for LPNs, their assessment skills, their experience and knowledge etc. But perhaps because in an RN that sounds too insincere and too demeaning? Is it possible that there are RNs out there that respect LPNs?
  12. by   Flo1216
    KTWLPN-You seriously need to get a grip. I don't deny "lpn bashing" exists. I simply don't see it existing in my workplace. If people are "lpn bashing" ignore them. You are not going to change their perception. Why lose sleep over someone else's ignorance? If you know you are a good nurse and a " real" nurse, then why should it matter what anyone else thinks? I have a handicapped brother who previously was taken care of by a full time RN. She has since been fired and replaced by a full time LPN who is wonderful and we wouldn't have it any other way.
  13. by   Flo1216
    P.S. KTWLPN- I just thought I would let you know that I have been working as a CNA the entire time I have been in school. Never once have I placed myself above ANYONE. I think you are ridiculously defensive without cause and are reading into things and turning them into something they are not.

    "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent,"-Eleanor Roosevelt

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