Lethal injection nurse??? - page 2
hi everyone, I just read that some states are looking into having nurses administer lethal injections to death row inmates. Since I have a questionable source my question will be hypothetical. ... Read More
Apr 11, '02In my state it is a very high probability that the person being taken out was innocent. I read somewhere, something like 8 out of 10 were found innocent later on. I don't see how anyone could make the judgement that someone is actually guilty and deserves to die. If there was a foolproof way to ID the guilty I would be all for the death penalty. I do believe that if someone takes a life that they don't deserve to live but our justice system does not seem to be doing a very good job of making sure that those who don't deserve it are protected.
Me: No I could NEVER do that job. NEVER.
Apr 11, '02Outta my way, Kewl, I want to be first in line! LOL!
Seriously, I would start the IV, administer the drugs, monitor the rhythm and sat, and do it all in good conscience-as long as the people (a jury of peers) had spoken, and a Dr. had ordered it. I am a very firm believer in capital punishment. :stone
What really ticks me off is the YEARS of multiple appeals these folks get to have, when appealing their death sentence. No one allowed their victims YEARS to beg for their lives!
Yes, I know that there have been some folks wrongly convicted, and cleared with DNA evidence. With the exception of those few, and O.J. Simpson (reverse DNA, or some lame excuse those jurors couldn't understand ) I feel juries are usually right, and I would not be bothered at all to help the state carry out a death sentence.
Apr 12, '02Originally posted by Teshiee
Many of us don't like the fact MA'S are doing things that licensed nurses should be doing! But when a proposal of having a RN to do something of this magnitude some say let the MA's do it! Why don't they let the family members of the victim do it? Just a thought.
As far as the MAs, I guess I am wondering why it is NOT important to have an RN administer injections in our clinics, but for a lethal injection, SUDDENLY an RN is needed? I don't understand the inconsistency in principles here.
Apr 13, '02I would never even consider it. But once having started thinking about it, some questions come up. Like does the person starting the IV use sterile technique? And if so, why?
I know that's an icky question, but the small, but yes, very sick side of me wants to know.
Apr 13, '02I am all for the death penalty. I am also for all the appeals, but not automatically. Some convicted murders have wanted to die right away, but were forced to go through a long series of appeals before they were executed.
And for those of you who think you want to be the right hand of death, well killing another human is not as easy as you might think. Gary
Apr 13, '02Why nurses? Do we impress them that we kill everyday just because we face death everyday. Or do they think that we have no emotions towards people's death, or we are supermen and women who can do what ever is left undone. It's nothing to do with whether you are pros or cons against death penalty, or anything to do with who is capable of doing it. We are there to take care of the sick and promote public health. It's back to the history again when nurses were paid to handle dead bodies. It's is disgusting and insulting.
Apr 13, '02I read somewhere that each stage of the "killing" process when enacting the death penalty is done by a different person, anyway. One person prepares the syringe. Another takes it to the chember. Another straps the prisoner down. Someone else starts the iv, and someone else pushes the button to release the plunger. That way, one person (doctor, nurse, prison guard, or otherwise) does not have the exteremity of the full act of killing another human being, and can dissociate a little more.
For or against the death penalty, the sheer act of putting another person to death can leave lasting psychological scars. I would never do that job.
Apr 13, '02nurses' participation in capital punishment
summary: the american nurses association (ana) is strongly opposed to nurse participation in capital punishment. participation in executions is viewed as contrary to the fundamental goals and ethical traditions of the profession.
background: health care professionals, including nurses, continue to be called upon to participate in capital punishment, particularly lethal injection executions. thirty-six states have legalized the death penalty by methods including electrocution, gas chamber, hanging and the firing squad. twenty-five of those states use lethal injection as the preferred method of execution. many states through legislative authorization have delineated specific roles for health care professionals to be involved in executions.(1)
historically, the role of the nurse has been to promote, preserve and protect human life. the ana code for nurses with interpretive statements (code for nurses) is grounded in the basic principles of respect for persons, the non-infliction of harm and fidelity to recipients of nursing care. the code for nurses, nursing's ethical code of conduct, stipulates that "the nurse does not act deliberately to terminate the life of any person." the obligation to refrain from causing death is longstanding and should not be breached even when legally sanctioned. participation in capital punishment is inconsistent with these ethical precepts and the goals of the profession. the ana is strongly opposed to all forms of participation, by whatever means, whether under civil or military legal authority. nurses should refrain from participation in capital punishment and not take part in assessment, supervision or monitoring of the procedure or the prisoner; procuring, prescribing or preparing medications or solutions; inserting the intravenous catheter; injecting the lethal solution; and attending or witnessing the execution as a nurse. the fact that capital punishment is currently supported in many segments of society does not override the obligation of nurses to uphold the ethical mandates of the profession. the ana recognizes that the endorsement of the death penalty remains a personal decision and that individual nurses may have views that are different from the official position of the profession. regardless of the personal opinion of the nurse on the appropriateness of capital punishment, it is a breach of the ethical traditions of nursing, and the code for nurses to participate in taking life of any person.
1. the american college of physicians, et al. (1994). breach of trust: physician participation in executions in the united states. philadelphia, pennsylvania.
effective date: december 8, 1994
status: revised position statement
originated by: ana committee on ethics, 1983, rev. 1988
revised by: ana center for ethics and human rights
adopted by: ana board of directorsLast edit by NRSKarenRN on Apr 13, '02
Apr 13, '02I am wondering how many people here who are saying they would participate would do so after actually being exposed to this or after participating once. Just a retorical question. We really can't know that we would do this without actually seeing this first hand (present in the room) or without actually being assigned to this task, or at the very least doing this once. I am sure anyone would be forced to do a LOT of real soul searching. I believe participating may change one's self immage or attitudes in ways that we cannot fathom.
Apr 13, '02The man who murdered my first cousin with a tire iron for his small paycheck is currently on death row in Florida. He also killed several people from Florida through Ga and into NC before he was caught.
"Old Sparky" is no longer an option in Florida...too bad.
Frankly I really would like to see the eye for an eye extend to the means of capital punishment.
IE: child beaten to death......same
grandfather kicked to death...same
Kidnap victim brutalized......
Get the picture?
Apr 13, '02i'm not a rn, but it would be totally against my beliefs as a nurse and as a roman catholic... mortal sin. thou shalt not kill, i would think, includes rn's pushing lethal drugs to purposely kill another. if it's against the ethical code of nurses, why would a nurse even think of participating in such a thing? killing a convicted murderer is murder itself even though he/she was found guilty in a court of law. what gives anyone the right to kill another human being? court ruling or not, it's still murder. nurses shouldn't have that responsibility nor should anyone else. i would have a great deal of ptsd and would never have peace of mind ever again.
Apr 15, '02Hi people,
As a graduate of criminal justice I am opposed to capital punishment. The US is one of the only countries that still executes people and we are not in good company. Last I knew we had executed 400 people who were proven to be innocent. Several other cases have been overturned. One of the biggest arguments against the death penalty is that it is carried out with a racial bias. If the race of the victim is black the death penalty is never or seldom imposed. It is hard to really explain it unless the reader has a good grasp on social justice issues and criminology. You also need to be aware of the four main purposes of punishent understanding mitigating and aggravating circumstances. The federal Government can put some one to death in a non dp state. If that individual commits a federal crime or commits a crime on federal land. We have always been told that it is better to let a guilty man go free than to convict or for God forbid kill someone who is innocent. Remember to wrongs do not make a right. This is ruled a homicide and it is considered official murder! I am completely 100% against it and I hope we do a better job educating the public in the future. Remember politics play a huge role in many decisions and we as a system make mistakes. Dna should not only be used to convict the guilty but also to exhonerate the innocent. Just my professional opinion.