Is this the publics perception of nurses? - page 7

i am a charge RN in a cvicu. yesterday i took care of a man that was pod1 5 vessel cabg on a balloon pump and multiple drips. i had post op'd the pt the previous day so i had developed a repor with... Read More

  1. by   mattsmom81
    Originally posted by MishlB
    The diploma program in our state is only 1 year, not three. Where is there a 3 year diploma program???
    A ONE year RN program??? Hmm. I had no idea these existed...scary thought IMO.

    My RN Diploma program was a three year program . The idea persists out there that Diploma RN's received some kind of second rate nursing education (I suspect this is perpetuated by BSN proponents) and it simply is untrue...Diploma programs offer a med school-like program that puts out great RN's, IMHO. The same docs teaching med school pathophys taught us. Nobody looks down on doctor's hospital- based training...but it seems many put down the same type training for nurses. Why??

    We actually took quite a few college courses...A&P, Chem, Micro and more...premed ones too..not the watered down nursing courses often seen today. We went to school year round...no summers or Christmas vacation time off. We had a great rep in the community and were known as the best nurses in the area. 'Course the BSN grads resented us for this! They liked to put us down as 'trained monkeys'....they reminded us THEY were the 'educated ones'...although we had to truly carry THEM and mentor them as a group their first year or two out of school. We did our best to help them acclimate but quickly tired of the snippy, holier-than-thou attitudes. I blame this first on the universities because it's obvious they pass on this attitude to students. I guess they still are. This was back in the 70's .....this is how long the BSN-Diploma resentment has been going on. And it continues to stir up hurt feelings on a regular basis.

    There are still a few 3 year diploma schools around, mine closed down after 105 years. Community pressure to give in to university clout has resulted in closedown of most diploma schools over the years.

    I agree that college based education alone is NOT going to 'fix' our profession's problems. Nurses will have to come together to change our future. If we cannot respect one another as nurses with unique bodies of knowledge and experiences, how can we begin to come together? It's going to be tough.

    Some feel BSN entry level for nurses will eliminate a lot of the infighting and maybe there is some truth to this. Maybe it will help unify us...which is why I have not been totally against the idea.

    We sure do need to unify somehow and I think we ALL agree on that. Sorry for the length of this post..... :kiss
  2. by   Q.
    Originally posted by mattsmom81
    Nobody looks down on doctor's hospital- based training...but it seems many put down the same type training for nurses. Why??

    Interestingly enough, when I was reading about the history of medical education in our country, I learned that physicians were trained in an apprentice-type arrangement for many, many years during our colonial periods and after. But medicine ran into the same problems as nursing now; fragmented education and non-standardized training. Some physicians learned this, others learned that. Eventually, when the AMA was formed, they hired an outside organization to look at some of these "medical schools" and the apprenticeships, and most were recommended to be eliminated - and they were. As a result, medicine has a standard method of requirements and education to be a physician. Is it possible that we could learn something from their history of education?

    P.S. If anyone is interested in the source, I could cite for you. I'm just too lazy to get up to my bookshelf.
  3. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Great post, mattsmom!And Suzy, once again, I find myself in agreement w/you in your last post.
  4. by   askater11
    Somebody mentioned about people look at money...

    Hey I'd rather have a highly educated nurse then a wealthy nurse.

    Or a highly educated doctor over a wealthy doctor.

    In life money isn't everything. I'm spending a lot of my money for nursing books and extra certificates because I carry pride in my education. And I think it shows with the care I give my patients
  5. by   rncountry
    Excellant post suzy! Standard education, what a concept!
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Yes, standardized education...I don't argue that. but if it's all to be BSN- only make it available to all who seek to enter nursing, some of us can't drive 100+ miles round-trip to attend school; ADN programs are more numerous and accessible.
  7. by   MishlB
    Originally posted by mattsmom81
    A ONE year RN program??? Hmm. I had no idea these existed...scary thought IMO.

    My RN Diploma program was a three year program . The idea persists out there that Diploma RN's received some kind of second rate nursing education (I suspect this is perpetuated by BSN proponents) and it simply is untrue...Diploma programs offer a med school-like program that puts out great RN's, IMHO. The same docs teaching med school pathophys taught us. Nobody looks down on doctor's hospital- based training...but it seems many put down the same type training for nurses. Why??

    Sorry...the one year I was referring to was LPN diploma, not RN. However the ADRN program is one year.
    Question for you...why go to school for 3 years to get a diploma when one more is a degree? Do most employers require a degree for RN's nowadays?
  8. by   MishlB
    I don't think education can teach you compassion and caring though...
  9. by   Flo1216
    I am from NJ and attend a 3 year diploma RN program. I have never heard of a one year diploma RN. I have heard of the one year accelerated BSN but that is different.
  10. by   Flo1216
    Passion and caring is wonderful, but I would rather have a mean nasty ol nurse with an education who knew what she was doing taking care of me then a passionate, caring nurse with no education who knows nothing.
  11. by   Flo1216
    "Question for you...why go to school for 3 years to get a diploma when one more is a degree?"


    Because it is more affordable than a 4 year school. That's why I chose a diploma program. I am going on for my BSN after I graduate in June and my hospital will offer tuition reimbursement once I am an RN
  12. by   MishlB
    Originally posted by Flo1216
    "Question for you...why go to school for 3 years to get a diploma when one more is a degree?"


    Because it is more affordable than a 4 year school. That's why I chose a diploma program. I am going on for my BSN after I graduate in June and my hospital will offer tuition reimbursement once I am an RN
    And I am doing the same thing, only the ADRN program, and will continue later. What difference does it make? Were you an LPN or did you start right out at the RN diploma program? That makes a difference too. Obviously you cannot enter the ADRN program without a nursing education.
    And of course I want a nurse who is educated taking care of me, but I would also like to be treated with some care. It's all relative to the situation.
    Every state is very different in what they offer, which is the main problem in nursing education. Do you realize that nursing educators believe that we are being OVEReducated? LPN's need only pass a pill, not know the effects, and the RN can be responsible for everything else. Frankly that scares me. There is a place for RN's and LPN's to work together, but the "education" part continues to divide. As RN's we are taught how much more knowledge we have over LPN's, (LPNs CANNOT assess....right!)and what they cannot do because they lack the knowledge, and at the BSN level, taught to be superior. I disagree.
    Why is everyone so concerned about their degree and title on their nametag? To impress patients and family? NEWSFLASH....most patients and their families don't know the difference between CNA, LPN, RN, and NP. They only want a knowlegable, caring, and respectful person to care for their loved one in their time of need.
    Isn't that what nursing is all about???
  13. by   MishlB
    Originally posted by Flo1216
    Passion and caring is wonderful, but I would rather have a mean nasty ol nurse with an education who knew what she was doing taking care of me then a passionate, caring nurse with no education who knows nothing.
    Remember you said this...

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