Is this new grad a nut or what? Opinions please ! - page 5

We have a new grad on our floor. We kept hearing that she was going to be so good. She graduated with a 4.0 and her parents are both physicians. Well, she is far from good. She turns off her... Read More

  1. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    (I wish that phrase would just go away....)
  2. by   talaxandra
    I'm with you, Marie.
  3. by   NYNewGrad
    Unfortuantely I think it might be true... not ALL the time, but often enough.

    Just the opinion of a new grad who has had her share of both pleasant and unpleasant experiences on the floor.
  4. by   mtnmom
    that there were some unconscious, hidden resentments against this girl when she came in because of her supposed privileged background and GPA??? No one mentions what school she went to...I would be curious to know.

    How would all of this be viewed if this young new grad had come from an average or meager background with an average GPA????

    A lot of nursing is the critical thinking/common sense part that some people just get quicker than others. A lot of it is taught in school, but much has to be developed in practice. Plugging the piggyback in under the pump...OK, granted that is goofy, but isn't that what orientation is for? So new nurses can have oversight???

    As for the accent thing, her speech may be easily molded, like others have said. We moved a lot when I was younger and relatives were always commenting that my accent had changed when we moved.

    Give her some more time and back off the criticism, IMO. This type of backbiting is counterproductive to the whole unit. Maybe she needs a different preceptor or a different unit where she can have a more nurturing environment.
  5. by   prmenrs
    Nobody can take a bite out of anything, or anybody, that moves fast enough!!

    That being said, caution is suggested if you notice a lot of condiments on the nursing station desk!

    (just trying to lighten it up a little, ok?)
  6. by   kurtzmobile
    [QUOTE=gr8rnpjt]
    Quote from DutchgirlRN
    We have a new grad (23 y/o, single WF) on our floor. We kept hearing that she was going to be so good. She graduated with a 4.0 and her parents are both physicians. Well, she is far from good.

    I think you should update us with a new thread on her every week or so. She sounds hilarious! (of course I don't have to actually work with her).
    Reminds me of the neice of my former DON at the diploma school from which I graduated. Now, the DON was the toughest character you knew. She was mean and had a look that turned my blood cold and froze me in mid step.
    I heard she once told a soon to be new graduate that she shoud be very careful at the pinning ceremony as she just might get it in the neck! No lie!
    Anyway, the neice was a sweet young girl whom I met when I came in to have my second child. Maternity rotation was in the beginning of her third year, so she had made it that far. She was introduced to me by the nursing educator on the floor who was a former classmate of mine. It was the day after my daughters birth and I had a serious case of hemorrhoids. I am not kidding, it was like, 3 baseballs between my legs. Well this girl came in to take my vitals and check lochia. Well the look on her face was priceless!!! But what she did next was outrageous! Here is the gist of our conversation,
    Her: "what are those"
    Me: "my hemorrhoids"
    Her, "no really, what are they?"
    Me, "my hemorrhoids"
    Her, "no they are not, I am gettnig my teacher"
    Me, "no you will not, they are hemorhoids."
    Her, "I don't believe you" ...and then she proceeded to touch them with her finger.
    Her, "what are they attached to?"
    Me, "my rectum"
    Her, "do they hurt"
    Me, "what do you think? How about a percocet?"
    Her, "I just don't believe that"
    She went to tell my friend, her teacher, who came in and sat on the bed and we had a good laugh. Then she requested to bring in the entire class of students on Maternity to see them. I did put my foot down, and I got the Percocet.
    True story.
    That is waaaay too funny of a story!!! Sounds like something I would say to a student if I were in that situation. Isn't the pospartum experience lovely!?!? :roll
  7. by   P_RN
    In my aged wisdom *I* think this girl needs a FRIEND on the floor. It seems she has a lot of bosses to point out what she's NOT doing and no one to say "hey you did well."

    I finished with a 4.0. I'd only worked in Headstart, and a doctor's office when I bit the bullet and went hospital. Well I cried at the end of every day for nearly 6 months.

    Finally one girl started asking for me to go to lunch with her. Then she'd say come here let me show you this piece of equipment or let me show you these awesome sutures.......I had a 4.0 education but now I had a 4.0 FRIEND. You'd be surprised what a little support does for self esteem.

    Oh and you should hear me when I go to NY or when I went to London. My southern accent grows exponentially...thick as molasses in January and twice as sweet.
  8. by   lpnsam
    So glad to see this post. I'm a new grad (with honors and awards from teachers) and I am working in a small clinic. I'm trying to fit in but the staff is barely civil. They are starting to warm up (I think with some encouragement from our supervisor); all except my preceptor. She has yet to say anything encouraging workwise. I'm too slow and not getting the vast paperwork correct. She is supposed to be showing me how to do blood draws, etc. but right now I'm doing the barest of patient assessment (ht, wt, bp, temp). Being a new grad, we did a lot of things in theory and little practical experience. In the clinic I've done two mantoux (never in class). The preceptor and supervisor where aware of my experience when I was hired. Anyway, the first mantoux was "just do it" and it was more subq than it should have been. The second was fine. The preceptor is one vacation and now my supervisor is showing me how to do IM injections. I'm feeling like I should take a phlebotomy class and keep my options open to move. My work hours are perfect and driving distance is good. I really want to use the skills/training from school and I don't see that happening so much where I am. And the fit with the preceptor isn't there -- with the others, I see progress. The supervisor and other practioner are generous with advise. I don't want to leave this early in the job (working since August part time). I guess I'll see what happens when my preceptor returns from vacation and how much I can learn while she's away. Any suggestions would be so much appreciated.
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from llg
    I find the accent thing interesting. Some people unconsciously pick up accents very easily. My sister is that way. She can immitate accents easiy ... and will unconsciously pick up a little of whatever accent she is around. I also do that a little without noticing it. We are a very verbal family and I suspect it has something to do with the way our brains are wired for auditory processing.

    It would be interesting to know if she were conscious of it.

    llg
    Yep it does happen.

    the thing that concerns me is not the accent, but the negligence of her patients. THAT needs to be addressed more than her "odd" characteristics, if you ask me.
  10. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from prmenrs
    Nobody can take a bite out of anything, or anybody, that moves fast enough!!

    That being said, caution is suggested if you notice a lot of condiments on the nursing station desk!

    (just trying to lighten it up a little, ok?)

    TOOO CUTE! :chuckle
  11. by   RN12345656
    [QUOTE=DutchgirlRN]
    She says she knows how to do everything but you check on her and she's got the PB plugged in under the pump.

    I say give her the whole patient load...I bet she'll lose that accent real fast
  12. by   truern
    [quote=bamabound2brn]
    Quote from dutchgirlrn
    we have a new grad (23 y/o, single wf) on our floor.

    question, who cares that she is 23 yoa, single, white, or female? sounds like she is just immature which is not always indicative of ones age. also labeling someone as white and female is border line discrimination. :angryfire

    we do it everyday in charting, reporting, etc. about patients. it's identifying, not discriminating.

    rm 7 cw 75 yo wm chole
  13. by   Daytonite
    lpnsam. . .sometimes people get "roped" into being preceptors or sometimes they prefer the word "orienting" new people. They never wanted the postiion to begin with because they don't feel comfortable at it, or feel they are inadequate for the job, or some just will admit to not having the patience to work with a brand new nurse or employee. However, it is generally an official duty listed on every nurses job description. So, this is their problem not yours. In addition to that, most preceptors are not trained educators to begin with so they can only draw from their past experiences in nursing and their own personal lives. For this reason, some preceptors act in unique ways. I've had preceptors that loved doing the socratic method where you constantly ask the orientee questions only to have an orientee break down in tears. After a little investigation I found that the preceptor did that because one of the best teachers they ever had taught that way, so they were just mimicking them! Preceptors who are negative, constantly criticizing, and never giving an encouraging word I believe come from personal backgrounds where that kind of behavior was present all the time. These people behave that way because to them it is normal, and unfortunately, they did not take away very much from their communications and psychology classes. I do think that most people who end up as preceptors actually believe they are being helpful although I know that a few will verbalize that they hate it. Many people are invited or "roped into" being preceptors because they are seen by their supervisors and managers as good nurses. They all don't fit the mold of a nurturing teacher and that is as important an element of a good preceptor as well as being very good as a nurse. You are in a work situation, however, and the focus now is going to be on the work you produce and education kind of takes a bit of a back seat. Sometimes they are the only nurses a manager has to work with when it comes to orienting new people. What I'm saying is sometimes it is the luck of the draw that lands you in the situation you are in. It is good that you have a supervisor who is encouraging the staff to be more tolerant of you. Sometimes this is what it takes to get regular staff on track--that's one reason why there are supervisors. Some preceptors will just jump in and do the procedures she should be letting you do in order to master them because they are impatient and know they can do them faster and they want to get on with their work. Again, this is a personal trait of the preceptor (impatience) and is not your fault. You could try exerting yourself a little and saying, "I want to do this blood draw," instead of waiting to be tossed a bone. Don't feel badly that you are slow at things. All new grads are. It's too bad your preceptor won't acknowledge this as it is very likely she went through similar experiences as a new grad herself. You need to make a promise to yourself that you will never treat a new grad or an orientee the way that has been done to you. You are going to work with many, many different nurses over your career and will find that each is unique and brings their own prejudices and beliefs into the job with them despite the cautions they received as nursing students against doing this. It is human nature. As the years go on and you become comfortable with your role as a nurse your own prejudices and beliefs will sneak their way into your work behavior as well.

    I had an awful time with starting IVs when I started in nursing. At the recommendation of one of the hospital supervisors I took a 30 hour IV therapy class for LVNs that was offered at another hospital out here in California years ago. I learned so much more from that class than I ever learned in school. Well, it was taught by an expert in IVs so that may have been the difference. I've since worked as an IV therapist for many years and taught IV insertions to nurses and medical students. The biggest obstacle that I found with new "stickers" is that they have to get their thinking about it correct. You are trying to introduce a straight, rigid needle into a somewhat flexible, hopefully straight tube. However, in order to enter this tube you have to go in with the needle at an angle. If you don't correct the angle of the needle once you have pierced the vein, you will puncture the opposite site and create a hematoma. New "stickers", I've found, either stick too far left or too far right of the vein and so they never get into it. If you can't see the vein but are sticking by feel, you have to train yourself to kind of visualize where the vein actually is in relation to the needle which you can see. It took me a good 6 months to start to feel like I was getting better at inserting IVs. Phlebotomy is not that much different. At least with phlebotomy you can chose the largest veins. Just keep practicing your sticking. It takes lots of practice.

    Please understand that right now is a very emotional time for you. Your preceptor isn't making it much easier, unfortunately. However, one thing you didn't have in your post is this. You haven't been counseled by your boss for not working up to standard or given a verbal or written counseling or warning that your behavior needs improvement. That's a good sign! Honestly, it is! If your workplace felt that you were doing a poor job, you would have been taken aside and given a serious talking to long before this. So, hang in there. Remember that your preceptor is visiting her own prejudices and beliefs on you and there is not much you can do to change that. When she is telling you you are too slow she is also giving you an unspoken message that she pushes her ownself to be faster. In a way, she's kind of thinking out loud and telling you volumns about her own self! We almost all criticize what we percieve to be negative things in other people because we ourselves actually do those very things and subconsciously don't like that we do them! That is a psychological fact--think about it. Try to be a little more assertive in seeking opportunities to practice new skills. Maybe at the beginning of a couple of days you can let the other nurses know you want to do any blood draws or other specific procedure that they have that day. You will make it through this period of your nursing career, I promise. We've all been through the same period of learning, so just hang in there.

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