Is there REALLY a nursing shortage? - page 4

This is an interesting article guys/gals... Here's the letter I wrote to the President, Vice-President, U.S. Congress Rep. and Senator: "I'm an R.N. and I recently started working as an agency... Read More

  1. by   Dixiedi
    Quote from lizz
    Your post is somewhat confusing. You're saying Mexican immigrants (or migrant workers, if you prefer) should be severely restricted, but in the next paragraph you say it's ok.

    The bottom line is that the agriculture industry says they can't compete and keep prices low without them and, consequently, has fought various attempts to limit immigration. If you want to call them migrants, ok, but most stay once they come here.

    BTW, that document only lists seven crops. California produces over 350 crops and is the number one producer and exporting state in the country, and has been for 50 years.

    I said it is OK for the illegal migrant workers to take the chances they take. It's their choice and they do not detract from our jobs. However, if they want to apply for a green card to relieve themselves of the chances of getting deported, fine. But, that green card should be ONLY for migrant farm work. No other job. Migrant farm work. Period. Besides, we would them be able to collect a little income tax from them and the condition of their green card be "Migrant Farm work. No work, return to Mexico." We all benefit. If they don't want to pay the income tax to "be legal" then they continue to risk being deported. Their choice.
  2. by   Torachan
    angel337 - please excuse my ignorance but what is a med-tech?
  3. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Dixiedi
    I said it is OK for the illegal migrant workers to take the chances they take. It's their choice and they do not detract from our jobs. However, if they want to apply for a green card to relieve themselves of the chances of getting deported, fine. But, that green card should be ONLY for migrant farm work. No other job. Migrant farm work. Period. Besides, we would them be able to collect a little income tax from them and the condition of their green card be "Migrant Farm work. No work, return to Mexico." We all benefit. If they don't want to pay the income tax to "be legal" then they continue to risk being deported. Their choice.
    First you said no immigrants at all. But now it's ok for immigrants to come here and work as farm workers, and only as farm workers, so you can continue to buy cheap food, but they can't do anything else.

    Well, I guess that's what this is really about. Immigration is ok as long as it serves your own self interests, but not if it doesn't.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on May 17, '04
  4. by   Saved_by_Grace
    What I will never understand is that if there is such a "shortage" of nurses, then why on earth don't they expand the nursing programs? At my little community college alone there were 306 applicants for the fall nursing program and only 45 students were accepted. I know all across America there are 2-4 year waiting lists to get into the nursing programs. Wouldn't expanding the programs to train more nurses help alleviate the shortage or is that too simple?
  5. by   nightingale
    Quote from WannaBLPN2005
    What I will never understand is that if there is such a "shortage" of nurses, then why on earth don't they expand the nursing programs? At my little community college alone there were 306 applicants for the fall nursing program and only 45 students were accepted. I know all across America there are 2-4 year waiting lists to get into the nursing programs. Wouldn't expanding the programs to train more nurses help alleviate the shortage or is that too simple?

    WannabeLPN: Because there is also a shortage of Nursing Instructors.

    Torchan:Med-Tech is someone specifically trained to administer meds. It is legal here in Colorado . Can ya tell I am NOT a big advocate of it? Would anyone else like to expand on that answer?

    night
  6. by   Saved_by_Grace
    Quote from nightngale1998
    WannabeLPN: Because there is also a shortage of Nursing Instructors.

    Torchan:Med-Tech is someone specifically trained to administer meds. It is legal here in Colorado . Can ya tell I am NOT a big advocate of it? Would anyone else like to expand on that answer?

    night
    :imbar Ok Nightngale, that makes sense. Don't know why I didn't know about that part of the shortage as well. Thank you! :spin:
  7. by   angel337
    Quote from Torachan
    angel337 - please excuse my ignorance but what is a med-tech?
    i learned about med techs on this board. i had not heard of them either until then. supposedly they are technicians who are trained to pass meds under the direction of the RN or LPN. they offer the program in only a few states. like i said i don't have a lot of information on it and maybe you can find it on this board by doing a search. i honestly don't see how this kind of job could be created. i don't see how this would work in acute care maybe it is only in LTC.
  8. by   Sheri257
    Quote from WannaBLPN2005
    :imbar Ok Nightngale, that makes sense. Don't know why I didn't know about that part of the shortage as well. Thank you! :spin:
    Another obstacle is arranging for the hospitals to take more students for clinicals. At least, that's what my school administrators say.

    I agree that people tend to ignore the schools when they talk about the shortage. It's weird since, obviously, it's a major factor.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on May 17, '04
  9. by   TheBigBadDog
    This stupid idea has been propagated by hospitals and the other abusers of nurses. It is a matter of supply and demand, they only want to pay low wages so the supply is low. If wages go up the supply will increase! If the supply increases the wages will go down. The supply is low because most nurses leave this field because once they enter nursing they find out how crappy they are treated by hospitals, doctors, etc. Wages in other fields are much higher at the middle and upper experience brackets. The U.S. Congress has undertaken a WAR against the nurses in the U.S. to keep our wages low through keeping the supply of nurses excessively high! American nurses will return to nursing as the wages rise and hospitals change thier policies and treatment of nurses.
  10. by   mattsmom81
    So true BigBadDog. We are meeting our labor need by allowing immigration of foreigners to fill the need. I have no problem with that, if they speak the language well and become legal citizens and meet responsibilities of citizenship. In other words, to become part of the 'melting pot' and be Americans first. if they come here to cash their extended family into america's welfare, SSD and Medicaid benefits, and to live 5 families to one house and send their $$$ back to their 3rd world country, I call them carpetbaggers. I do see too much of this today.

    But...nobody seems to care. I work with BSN's from foreign countries who speak such poor English I worry about working with them. But bottom line... TPTB have a cheap, warm body that will draw liability away from them. <sigh>

    so...I do my job and avoid supervising these types. I don't need the liability.
  11. by   trish820
    Where I live in Southern Ohio we have 20+ openings at the hospital that I work at and this is only for RN's.

    Trish
  12. by   eddy
    Quote from suzanne4
    Hospitals have stopped using agency all of the time, and they go back to them at some point or another. This has been going on for years. This is a fact, ask your agency. I have 25 years of agency to back up my claims, do you? How many agencies are you signed up with ? You can't expect one hospital chain to always keep you in work, That is not the idea of agency. They cover the hospital until they can get their staffing up, then something opens at another hospital.

    Please get your facts straight before you post.

    p.s. Another word for agency is "staff relief"!!!! that is exactly what it is...
    Perfectly said.
  13. by   eddy
    Quote from Torachan
    Sounds a bit .... hmm what's the word?

    Take a look at some of the posts. There are Pom's wanting to go to Australia and NZ. Aussies and kiwi's keen to go to UK and US. And I'm sure that there are Yanks who want to migrate as well. For a country founded on immigration it is a bit rude to cry that a foreigner (who is qualified and contributes to the economy from day one) takes "your" job. How many jobs do you want? Is America not the land of opportunity and freedom? What car do you drive, tv you watch, microwave you use or did you send those jobs OS?

    Don't be so mean spirited about people wanting to better their lot. I am sure that if the shoe was on the other foot you'd be singing a different tune

    ps I am not America bashing.
    Good point. Actually here in the states I'm seeing a TON of ads lately trying to recruit US nurses to the UK, Eastern European nations, Middle East nations, etc. Seems that EVERYONE is in the same boat to me.

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