Is there a need for more male nurses? - page 5

As a new LPN graduate I constantly here "Congratulations, we need more male nurses." & "As a man most employers will hire you on the spot!"..... But it has been my clinical experience that there was... Read More

  1. by   nurseunderwater
    Quote from LarryG
    Not to me.

    That's completely different from what's been discussed and the original question posed: "Is there a need for more male nurses?"
    larry darling...

    I posed this question precisely because of the points that you are bringing up....do we need your help? honey, we've done most of the work already
  2. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from nurseunderwater
    larry darling...

    I posed this question precisely because of the points that you are bringing up....do we need your help? honey, we've done most of the work already
    yes yes yes yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you get it, too!
  3. by   Havin' A Party!
    Quote from ktwlpn
    I agree that we need to use all available resources... don't think simple testosterone is the missing ingredient... Sorry--we are going to have to agree to disagree---but I do believe you are using "diversity" as a cover for the typical "kill or conquer" male mentality... If you as a man are drawn to nursing for the "cool traumas" in the ED that's allright-it's also ok for the occassional renegade to explore maternity..But don't try to fool us all into believing it's for any reason other then you think that "the little women need a man to show us how to do it right"....I don't want to sound too Gloria Steinem-ish here but -cupcake-I ain't buying it....and it looks like others agree with me.... smooches......
    Your lip service to using all resources doesn't persuade me for a New York minute, Honey Bunch.

    Internal inconsistencies in your position gives that away. In one phrase you mention the importance of diversity, and in the next you put down the largest minority in nursing. Sorry, but convincing that's not.

    Once again, who's said anything about testosterone alone? Or the "kill or conquer mentality"? Dream on, but do let us know from where you're pulling out these fantasies. Don't relate a bit to what we're discussing.

    And what's with the "cool ED dramas" "or exploring maternity" examples? What does that have to do with the price of tea at AllNurses? (Oh, and thanks much for the blessing you're giving all the boys who wish to pursue those opportunities. Gee, where would we be without your approval?)

    Ok, enter the next apparent nonsequitur: "(T)he little women need a man to show us how to do it right." P--L--E--A--S--E. There's not an inkling of that in the entire thread.

    And, My Lovely, kindly forgive me for pointing out that your conclusionary sentence certainly sounds a tad defensive.

    Happy to agree with you to disagree. However, what you're talking and what you're really thinking (based on the thought process you're evidencing) simply don't jive.

    If we really, really, really wanna improve things, we've gotta truly, truly, truly employ everyone that can assist. And we've gotta strive to remain open to new approaches. One descriptor of mental illness is to continue doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.

    We should be joyfully embracing welcoming anyone that cares enough to put a shoulder to the wheel and help the larger cause.

    Good night, Sweetheart! Oh, and sweet dreams.
  4. by   Dixiedi
    Quote from reddgott
    As a new LPN graduate I constantly here "Congratulations, we need more male nurses." & "As a man most employers will hire you on the spot!"..... But it has been my clinical experience that there was no one specific thing that could have been done better by a man than a woman. In fact I have been refused three times during my maternity rotation and was finally allowed to assess a woman who was post c-section, that happened to be a nursing instructor. (which was a better experience than the other students got but thats beside the point. Anyways, where is this big major need for more men in nursing? any ideas??
    After reading many of the posts that sound like they are trying so hard to avoid the actual question it's almost funny.
    Why would anyone be afraid to say YES! We DO need more male nurses. Not because a guy can get stuck with the heavy or combative pts but rather becasue man offer a different perpective on many subjects, nursing related and just in general.
  5. by   reddgott
    Sorry y'all I gave up on this post around #7 on Friday and worked back to back double shifts this weekend. Now it's Sunday night around 11:45pm, and look at the monster I've created. (by the way I did my first succesful straight cath today! it was like striking gold to see the urine coming out! ) You guys probly remember. Anyways..... Aside from the symantics, I see some very interesting replies! -Credibility- yes it's sad but true, nursing is no longer a throw away career leftover for unwed "Cratchets". sorry I felt like a cheap shot With todays ecconomy more men are in the job hunt, and view nursing as a stable career with management potential. I would bet more than half of you know of a male nurse in a management position, or did at a previous job.

    Please however dont tell me how I should or should not feel about the answers i read.... I can get defensive if I want to
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from Dixiedi
    After reading many of the posts that sound like they are trying so hard to avoid the actual question it's almost funny.
    Why would anyone be afraid to say YES! We DO need more male nurses. Not because a guy can get stuck with the heavy or combative pts but rather becasue man offer a different perpective on many subjects, nursing related and just in general.

    no fear here, i just dont' get why we have to qualify anyone on characteristics they can do NOTHING about (gender, race, etc). the FACT is, we need more nurses, QUALIFED, MOTIVATED, INTELLIGENT ones. Male? Idon't care. Give me a good nurse to work by my side and at my bedside when I am a patient. Why is that so hard to get?
  7. by   teeituptom
    Quote from nursemike?
    Actually, they aren't all younger, and they aren't all nicer. Some of the young ones are nice and some are kinda mean. Same with the older. But I do like some of the old, mean ones, too. And, yeah, they pretty much are all prettier.

    Dropped my clipboard once, and a pretty 23-yr-old RN immediately picked it up for me. I felt so OLD! But it was kind of nice, not having to bend over.

    Hadnt thought about it but maybe I should drop my clipboard more


    Meant in good humour only.
  8. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Definitions of credibility on the Web:

    the quality of being believable or trustworthy
    www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn



    "Nursing is most trusted profession"
    PRINCETON, N.J., Dec. 1 (UPI)http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...0859-3777r.htm


    Case closed.
  9. by   rstewart
    One does hear quite frequently about the "need" for male nurses. The reason for this is really quite simple.

    The powers that be are unable to fill nursing positions from the traditional demographic. Although we have had so called nursing shortages in the past, this one is projected to be of a greater magnitude. So they are looking for large untapped pools of potential nurses to fill those positions; And since the percentage of men in nursing is quite small relative to total population, in theory, men could solve their numbers/shortage problem.

    In my view, this is not a good thing. In essense, they are saying "Now that the traditional demographic (women) for these positions have vastly increased professional career options we had better recruit hard outside that traditional demographic because we can not or will not make those positions attractive enough to reasonably expect that they will choose nursing in sufficient numbers over those newer options."

    Now certainly expanding the potential pool does not necessarily preclude making the positions more attractive. But in many if not most regions of the country the priorities are clear. That is why you see far more sign on bonuses than retention bonuses, increased entry pay but 2-3% raises/salary compression/benefit erosion for the rest, and recruitment half-way around the world even in areas where local nursing graduates are relatively abundant.

    It's been said many times but it bears repeating: If you improve the compensation and working conditions at the bedside where the shortages are, the shortages will resolve naturally. I believe the same could be said about any disparities in representation within our profession. I doubt that the specialty of nursing anesthesia has any difficulty attracting and retaining highly qualified practioners of either sex.

    I think the percentage of men in nursing is a good barometer of the relative attractiveness of the nursing profession as a whole. The powers that be should forget about tapping into that potential new source of grist for their mill and concentrate their efforts on employee/nursing satisfaction.
  10. by   Havin' A Party!
    Quote from Dixiedi
    After reading many of the posts that sound like they are trying so hard to avoid the actual question it's almost funny.
    Why would anyone be afraid to say YES! We DO need more male nurses. Not because a guy can get stuck with the heavy or combative pts but rather becasue man offer a different perpective on many subjects, nursing related and just in general.
    Clear as a bell thinking! Concise and dead on the topic at hand.
  11. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    Definitions of credibility on the Web:

    the quality of being believable or trustworthy
    www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn



    "Nursing is most trusted profession"
    PRINCETON, N.J., Dec. 1 (UPI)http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...0859-3777r.htm


    Case closed.
    Now THIS is clear as a bell thinking. and well-defined. Thank you.
  12. by   nursemike
    Quote from reddgott
    Sorry y'all I gave up on this post around #7 on Friday and worked back to back double shifts this weekend. Now it's Sunday night around 11:45pm, and look at the monster I've created. (by the way I did my first succesful straight cath today! it was like striking gold to see the urine coming out! ) You guys probly remember. Anyways..... Aside from the symantics, I see some very interesting replies! -Credibility- yes it's sad but true, nursing is no longer a throw away career leftover for unwed "Cratchets". sorry I felt like a cheap shot With todays ecconomy more men are in the job hunt, and view nursing as a stable career with management potential. I would bet more than half of you know of a male nurse in a management position, or did at a previous job.

    Please however dont tell me how I should or should not feel about the answers i read.... I can get defensive if I want to
    Congratulations! We need more men doing straight caths! But, seriously, glad you're back, though it has turned into a monster. Guess people aren't as tired of the male vs. female thing as they thought they were. The thread on why do men work together better than women had some interesting points that may apply to your OP. On the other hand, I've been thinking about it, and I think a lot of times it's just a way to start a conversation. People notice you're a male and want to say something positive, so that's what comes to mind.
    I do agree with Dixiedi that bringing diverse perspectives into the mix is good, both for the patients and the team.
    A (female) friend of mine at work thinks men generally have better technical skills, but aren't as caring. I disagree on both counts, though nearly all the male nurses I've worked with have been people I want to emulate. But that's like 5 out of 6, or so, so hardly a scientific sample. The best and the worst nurses I've worked with have been women, but that's a much larger sample, so you'd kind of expect a broader range. Also, most of the men haven't been in nursing as long as some of the best women, and I fully expect them to be among the best, with more experience.
    We get a lot about the profession of nursing and its credibility, etc., in school. All valid, to a point, but I think if we were confident in ourselves as a profession, we wouldn't need to talk about it so much. I also think it is important to distinguish between the job I do and the person I am, not to let nursing define my whole being. On the other hand, it does start to feel like a calling, at times, and I'm not entirely sure how to reconcile that with "just a job."
  13. by   LPN4Life
    Quote from LarryG
    Sweetie Pie -- You wanna educate? You wanna be better accepted? Then you're gonna have to convince. To do so more effectively, get more diversity and balance into the message... and into the ranks. That'll enhance your credibility.

    Remember, Cream Puff, approximately 50% of the pop is male. Have you ever pondered that guys could be a great help to ya in your quest?

    I say let's use all available resources.
    I love these pet names lol

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