Illegal Alien- frustrated! - page 6

Please don't flame me. This is the only place I can comw to to vent and get some ideas on how to get myself back on track. I work with people who are immunosuppressed. I have a particular client who... Read More

  1. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from sharonh, rn
    do you think they timed their collapse so they could get a freebie from the american people?
    maybe not this one, but so many, many people do in fact time such occasions so the they can get a freebie from the american people. wanna know how many people i've treated with rhabdo/dic this year because the were trying to cross our desert? want to know how many pregnant women have suffered and died in the desert trying to get citizen status for their babies?

    i'm curious how many of your trauma centers in atlanta got closed down due to the illegal alien population sucking all the money out of it? any clinics shut down?? please tell me how this problem has affected you personally.

    i'm new to nursing, but in no way new to the massive amounts of social problems that the illegal alien epidemic is causing. as much i as loathe ideallic students telling nurses that they are wrong, or uncompassionate (or whatever), i loathe people from middle america telling me how wrong i am when dealing with the illegal alien problem.



    also, i hate to break it to many people, but a lot of the illegals aren't poor. i've seen people parking their huge trucks outside of the des office. i've seen many, many people taking out their food stamp card at the store, but then buy their alcohol with one of several hundred dollar bills. while we struggle to fill our potholes of our streets, deal with our out of control crime rate, and rescue another hospital or clinic from bankruptcy, some illegals are getting wic/food stamps and other american freebies for just that-free.


    Quote from powernurse
    why, do you think that americans are more deserving or superior to other nations????!!!!!?????
    yes! i do think that americans are more entitiled to american sevices that non-americans! how can that possibly be a hard concept?
    Last edit by cardiacRN2006 on Nov 7, '06
  2. by   ElvishDNP
    I don't think there is any easy answer.

    However, I believe that there are a lot people who don't realize how frustrating/expensive/time-consuming/difficult to understand our country's immigration system is. Should people come here legally? Absolutely, if they can. I worked (not too many moons ago) in a community health center where one of the things we did was immigration physicals. There were people from Mexico who began their immigration cases in 1988 that were just getting them processed in 2003! Those were people already in the US. Trying to get a visa from Mexico to the US is virtually impossible, upwards of 10 years and even then you're not guaranteed entry. So when I hear people say, "They should just come here legally!" I cringe because I know I sure wouldn't wait 10 years to go someplace legally and my kids are starving today, now.

    My husband is Mexican. I am a US citizen. We have been married almost 5 years. We own a house together. We have a child. Our vehicles, bank account, church tithe account, all of it is in both our names. He has no criminal record. We pay taxes. Do you know that he still does not have his immigration stuff straight? Do you think it frustrates the life out of me? (the answer is yes, by the way.) Do I think there ought to be grace shown? (not just for me, but everybody in similar situations...)

    I am not in agreement with people coming here to pop out babies just so the kid can carry a US passport. I'm not in agreement with anyone coming here -- legally or otherwise -- for the sole purpose of taking advantage of our system. Or US citizens who do the same thing for that matter. But I think there is a tendency -- and I mean nationwide, not necessarily on this forum -- to attribute to "illegal aliens" what is true of humanity in general.

    In this neck of the woods I hear about drunk driving, pedophilia, working the system, not paying taxes, etc., all with "illegal aliens" somewhere in the same sentence. As if there were no good ol' home grown folk who drive drunk, molest children, and sit on their butt collecting disability when they're healthier than I am.

    I realize everyone may not agree. But as someone who is right smack in the middle of the issue, I think it's far scarier from far away than from up close. I don't feel threatened by "illegal aliens" and I don't think they're contributing to our country's downfall.
  3. by   Euskadi1946
    Hmmm I do believe there is a big difference between undocumented workers and war veterans. Undocumented workers come her to live a better life than what they were living and by the way, there are many DOCUMENTED aliens as well as UNDOCUMENTED because they forged their papers serving in in the US Armed Forces in Iraq and if my memory serves me right many have died there. I admire our war veterans because they had a job to do and they did it. Unfortunately that job also included atrocities. Like I said war is hell and so is abject poverty!!!
  4. by   ylbourda
    Yes, I am a student nurse, one semester to go. Does that make me idealistic and to have blinders on? No, it doesn't. I have my eyes wide open and I live in area with a large hispanic population (many of whom are undocumented). At one of my clinical sites this summer, as we sat in report, we as mere students listened to the "season nurses" (who, as one poster wrote are tired of being judged by students) make very inappropriate comments about a pt of another nationality and speculated on her legal status. As students, we try to take the best attributes of the "seasoned nurses" that we work with (and many of the nurses we work with are wonderful and remember that we are their future coworkers and treat us with the same respect that we treat them) and try to incorporate it with how we want to be. We also, unfortunately, see some nurses who we do not want to be like. I wanted to become a nurse, later in life, because I care about people. I care not about where they come from, how they got here, or whether others deem them worthy of our taxpayer dollars. I care about how I can help them,and by helping others we help ourselves to become better human beings. Some of the posters here need to look in the mirror and see, regardless of how long you have been a nurse or how new you are to it, are you in the right profession?
  5. by   Cherish
    Forged papers to serve in the Military in Iraq? Please state your source. As a recent Veteran I have only met of one instance were a soldier was serving in the military wrongfullly (they were NOT an illegal alien however), they were a Visa resident and there papers got messed up and he thought he could legally serve (a Nigerian) and this was before 9-11. There are TOO many searches the military does, if you havent told them they WILL find out before you even swear in, FBI searches, security checks etc etc. I am a permenant resident (Canadian Citizen), and have been a green card holder for over 10 yrs. I have NEVER heard of a soldier recently (as in the past 10 yrs) being an illegal alien and serving. If you have a source (not well I know a friend who knows a friend- a legitimate source), by all means provide this.

    P.S. Never killed anything besides a spider or bee so guess I need to face the tribunal.
    Last edit by Cherish on Nov 7, '06
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I second the above post, as a veteran myself. Please find us a reputable and irrefutable source for these claims.
  7. by   Euskadi1946
    Quote from RunningWithScissors
    Not only that, but their birth rates are much higher than any other group, according to a recent TIME magazine article..
    Recently, a Mexican flag was raised above a post office and another at a school.

    Do you see what's happening here? Soon, because you can't be forced to show ID to vote, they will vote in their own into office and take control of the system from the inside.

    So, it's not just healthcare that's in danger here.
    RunningWithScissors, your comment smacks of racism, pure and simple!!!!
  8. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from ylbourda
    Some of the posters here need to look in the mirror and see, regardless of how long you have been a nurse or how new you are to it, are you in the right profession?
    You're right. I know I'm in the right profession. That's the point that the PPs were making. A student telling nurses to ask themselves if they are in the right profession. Were you there with me last week when I was working with a young kid with 20 feet of dead bowel? Did you see me juggle the multitude of doctors and rush him off to surgery-safely? How can you possibly tell what kind of nurse I am? Ignorance.....
    Talk to us when you actually get out of school and into the workplace.

    My opinions are as a result of living 60 miles from the Mexican border. I don't withhold care or treatment to ANY of my patients. Otherwise, I'd be without a job, being that a lot of my pts are illegal.

    Your statements are naive.
  9. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from RunningWithScissors

    Do you see what's happening here? Soon, because you can't be forced to show ID to vote, they will vote in their own into office and take control of the system from the inside.

    So, it's not just healthcare that's in danger here.
    Today, voting day, we here in AZ must show 2 forms of ID to vote.
  10. by   casi
    Legal or illegal those who simply use the system should be found out and booted out. There are too many WORKING TAX PAYING AMERICANS who can’t get affordable health insurance.

    I had applied to state health insurance in high school after my mom lost her job. I as a working teenager still had to pay the state $100-120/mo for health insurance. At the age of 21 when I had to reapply because I was at the age where it wasn’t mandatory for them to cover me I was told I was making too much money working part time at $8.90 an hour and going to school part time as well. I’ve been without insurance since. I just cross my fingers that I don’t get sick and pay out of pocket when I do.

    It just absolutely burns me that those who have been working and paying taxes for YEARS can’t get a bit of help from their government when they need it. Instead there are those who work illegally, get paid under the table, or have found ways to cheat the system who get full rides with no out of pocket expenses.
  11. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from ylbourda
    Yes, I am a student nurse, one semester to go. Does that make me idealistic and to have blinders on? No, it doesn't. I have my eyes wide open and I live in area with a large hispanic population (many of whom are undocumented). At one of my clinical sites this summer, as we sat in report, we as mere students listened to the "season nurses" (who, as one poster wrote are tired of being judged by students) make very inappropriate comments about a pt of another nationality and speculated on her legal status. As students, we try to take the best attributes of the "seasoned nurses" that we work with (and many of the nurses we work with are wonderful and remember that we are their future coworkers and treat us with the same respect that we treat them) and try to incorporate it with how we want to be. We also, unfortunately, see some nurses who we do not want to be like. I wanted to become a nurse, later in life, because I care about people. I care not about where they come from, how they got here, or whether others deem them worthy of our taxpayer dollars. I care about how I can help them,and by helping others we help ourselves to become better human beings. Some of the posters here need to look in the mirror and see, regardless of how long you have been a nurse or how new you are to it, are you in the right profession?
    IMO, the most effective nurses are realistic, not idealistic.
  12. by   Euskadi1946
    Quote from TazziRN
    I'm sorry that little girl died because of someone's mistake, BUT....if she had survived she would have been on medicaid because of her condition. Do you have any idea what immunosuppressives cost?? Being on assistance would have meant hers were paid for. When my father was evaluated for a transplant the coordinator kept asking about his insurance status. I finally said, "We've told you he's on Medicare, why do you keep asking?" Medicare pays for meds for only two years post transplant. After that the pt is responsible. Not everyone is lucky....my father happened to have a service-induced condition that led to organ failure, so the VA covers his meds 100%. Otherwise he could have been looking at up to $2000.00 per month. If that child had survived, or any other illegal who received a transplant, you and I are picking up that cost.
    Hmm, it's really comical to read some of these posts because some of the people posting are in apoplexy over paying taxes for illegal aliens, some of them extremely poor and can't afford good medical care, getting free medical care but are not in apoplexy over the wealthiest in our nation not having to pay any income tax whatsover and can really afford the best medical care money can buy and guess what, we pay for that too!!!:uhoh21:
  13. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    You're right. I know I'm in the right profession. That's the point that the PPs were making. A student telling nurses to ask themselves if they are in the right profession. Were you there with me last week when I was working with a young kid with 20 feet of dead bowel? Did you see me juggle the multitude of doctors and rush him off to surgery-safely? How can you possibly tell what kind of nurse I am? Ignorance.....
    Talk to us when you actually get out of school and into the workplace.

    My opinions are as a result of living 60 miles from the Mexican border. I don't withhold care or treatment to ANY of my patients. Otherwise, I'd be without a job, being that a lot of my pts are illegal.

    Your statements are naive.
    Don't let it get you down. I take posts from students with less than half a grain of salt when it comes to telling me what kind of nurse I should/should not be.

    I would be willing to bet that most of the students who are so critical of experienced nurses here wouldn't have the guts to say such things to an experienced nurse's face. Such is the faceless form of communication called the internet.

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