Illegal Alien- frustrated! - page 4

Please don't flame me. This is the only place I can comw to to vent and get some ideas on how to get myself back on track. I work with people who are immunosuppressed. I have a particular client who... Read More

  1. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from BSNDec06
    If we were talking about poor Americans, I think that most people would feel more inclined to want to give them benefits.

    LOL, you must be new here. Trust me, it's the same game, different name. Before it was immigrant Hispanics, it was poor Blacks. And who did we scapegoat before Blacks? Well....immigrant Irish, Italians and Chinese were welcomed with less than open arms. So I don't buy the argument that it's only because they are illegal. That's just the excuse.
  2. by   StNeotser
    Quote from pollirn

    I would rather my city, county, state or country spend my tax money on the true needy, even if they are "illegal" than continue for even another minute to allow our government be the puppets of these evil coporations who care NOTHING about the US population (ie: people like you and me).

    OINK OINK

    This is what hacks me.
    Me too. It seems it's easy to vent anger on an individual who is a couple of steps poorer than yourself v. trying to fathom why oil companies are in need of corporate welfare.
  3. by   RunningWithScissors
    However, these are illegal immigrants who have come to this country for the express purpose of taking advantage of the taxpayers.
    Not only that, but their birth rates are much higher than any other group, according to a recent TIME magazine article..
    Recently, a Mexican flag was raised above a post office and another at a school.

    Do you see what's happening here? Soon, because you can't be forced to show ID to vote, they will vote in their own into office and take control of the system from the inside.

    So, it's not just healthcare that's in danger here.
  4. by   ILoveNursing82
    So, because she wasn't American, She wasn't diserving? Thats harsh .....
  5. by   DaFreak71
    Quote from DutchgirlRN
    You betcha! What if I decided I was going to sneak into another country and live there by taking money from their system. That would be so wrong. That is what they are doing and they should be sent back to where they came from. That may seem cruel but staying here and stealing from all of us is wrong just plain wrong. It's bad enough that our own citizens learn to rip off the system but someone who is not a citizen is really in need of a good swift kick in the butt to wherever they came from.

    I came to the US legally. My parents worked hard, we became American citizens, we obey the laws. It can be done the correct way.
    So if the patient has done something wrong he/she does not deserve health care?
  6. by   DaFreak71
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    Well ask yourself, "why am I focusing so much mental and emotional energy worrying about these people who for all intents and purposes are in a worse position than myself? I have the freedom and the means to provide for myself and my family, I do not have to wait for a handout, I do not have to live in fear of being separated from my family if I am deported, and most importantly I have my health."


    I, like any person, have struggled with resentment and jealousy at times but I can honestly say I have never resented the sick and the poor. It's not as though I would want to change places with them. You stated that you are assisting this person at the expense of others. Well it doesn't work like that, so the next thing you need to do is get that thought out of your head.

    And finally if counting your blessings and having some compassion doesn't work, then try to channel your frustration towards others who deserve it. Take corporate welfare for instance. Big corporations receive billions in subsidies; is it fair that you should have to support Chevron, Halliburton, and WalMart? Or what about pork barrel projects? Alaska's $200 million "bridge to nowhere"? That makes me far angrier than my tax dollars helping sick, hungry people eat.
    :yeahthat::heartbeat
  7. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from ylbourda
    Silly me, I thought nurses were supposed to be compassionate. I'll have to watch for the questions on checking for a persons greencard before giving them treatment when I take the boards this spring. You have really opened my eyes!! I was foolishing hoping to work with people who cared about others, regardless of where they come from or the language that they speak. That is my possition, anyway, I'm looking forward to caring for people- only of my own race..... the human one.
    Get a clue. We all care about our pts and treat all of them with respect. That doesn't mean we don't have our own opinions about what some of them are doing. This does not affect our care. We are, however, alllowed to vent about it on these boards. I'm getting really weary of students judging seasoned nurses.
    :trout:
  8. by   Katnip
    True, subsidies to corporations is often unfair. But that's not what the OP was talking about.

    She was referring to the thousands and probably tens of thousands of people who are in the country illegaly commiting healthcare fraud. And for that matter those who are here illegally.

    It's got nothing to do with compassion. From what people in southwest states are saying, the burden has gotten so bad that many hospitals are closing down because of the abuse of the system.That creates even more problems for everyone to access healthcare.
  9. by   lsyorke
    Quote from cyberkat
    It's got nothing to do with compassion. From what people in southwest states are saying, the burden has gotten so bad that many hospitals are closing down because of the abuse of the system.That creates even more problems for everyone to access healthcare.
    This is key. The "system" can only support abuse for so long. We are seeing the results of that today. While "compassion" is a great thing... it comes with a price tag. That price tag is going to destroy the system that so many want to participate in. Compassion doesn't pay the bills.
  10. by   MS._Jen_RN
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    Well ask yourself, "why am I focusing so much mental and emotional energy worrying about these people who for all intents and purposes are in a worse position than myself? I have the freedom and the means to provide for myself and my family, I do not have to wait for a handout, I do not have to live in fear of being separated from my family if I am deported, and most importantly I have my health."


    I, like any person, have struggled with resentment and jealousy at times but I can honestly say I have never resented the sick and the poor. It's not as though I would want to change places with them. You stated that you are assisting this person at the expense of others. Well it doesn't work like that, so the next thing you need to do is get that thought out of your head.

    And finally if counting your blessings and having some compassion doesn't work, then try to channel your frustration towards others who deserve it. Take corporate welfare for instance. Big corporations receive billions in subsidies; is it fair that you should have to support Chevron, Halliburton, and WalMart? Or what about pork barrel projects? Alaska's $200 million "bridge to nowhere"? That makes me far angrier than my tax dollars helping sick, hungry people eat.
    :yeahthat:
    I couldn't have said it better. If the people you are helping need help, then what's the problem? If they don't that's another story. I don't care if the folks I serve are american or if they pay taxes. Yes there are those who don't get help while others do, it's not about race, nationality or anything like that. The system is broken, could help everyone, and doen't. Hate the system, not the users.
    JMO
    ~Jen
  11. by   Ann RN
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    So Americans are more deserving of a chance at life than other nationalities? If there is one thing Americans are good at, it is taking care of themselves first even if it is at the expense of others.
    If illegals want to come to America, fine. But learn the language and become a legal citizen in a reasonable length of time. If not - back you go. I, too, am tired of them not paying taxes and getting all the benefits. I strongly agree with the two US cities (Hazleton, PA & Riverside, NJ) who have passed laws that will fine property owners that rent to illegals. And yes, we should take care of our own first.
  12. by   Ann RN
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    Get a clue. We all care about our pts and treat all of them with respect. That doesn't mean we don't have our own opinions about what some of them are doing. This does not affect our care. We are, however, alllowed to vent about it on these boards. I'm getting really weary of students judging seasoned nurses.
    :trout:

    :yeahthat:
  13. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from TazziRN
    And to the student: you think we aren't compassionate??? As stated many times before when we are chastised for venting, this a place for us to share and cry and laugh and vent. Allow us to do that without beating us up before walking in our shoes. I have a lot of compassion but I get so tired of illegals on medi-cal getting free medical care, while legals and citizens who do not earn enough for insurance but earn too much for medicaid struggle to pay for their care. I had a pt just the other day, legal and with a green card, off her seizure meds for months and having weekly seizures because she can't afford her meds.
    Vent at your own risk. The students and new nurses out there just don't get that those of us who have been in the trenches (you know, actually being nurses) for years occasionally need to blow off steam. They will jump on you with all four feet for daring to do so.

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