If you are drunk, don't drive! - page 8

If you are a nurse, and you drive while you are drunk; the Board of Nursing can suspend your nursing license for good!!! This is hard to believe...but it is true!!!!... Read More

  1. by   katilynn
    Case by case seems right to me.

    Did it happen once twenty years ago? What was the blood alcohol level? Were you being chased by an ax murderer?

    I have a friend who got pulled over because her tail light was out. Passed w/ a .07 . The cop arrested her anyway and charged her with a reckless driving misdemeanor . She still had to do court appointed AA and everything like a DUI. So is it fair to say she shouldn't be a nurse?
  2. by   piper_for_hire
    It's this kind of absurdity that makes me want to run out and go to law school.

    -S
  3. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from jimthorp
    Please tell me what drinking and driving has to do with job performance.
    What does pedophilia have to do with job performance???????? What does rape, violent assault or murder have to do with job performance?????


    For matter, given that a large number of nursing positions require credit checks, what does a credit rating have to do with job performance????

    It is simple, how one handles one's life is an excellent indicator of how one handles work. You may not like that view and it may hurt some feelings, but those of us that have hired and fired, have found from long experience, that people that do not keep their lives/finances in order, most often are lacking in job performance. Some may argue to the contrary, but it gets demonstrated in life, time and again.

    It is very simple - if you work an a profession governed by law...you need to OBEY THE LAW. No big mystery here. If you feel the need to break the law, it demonstrates your clear disregard for those legal issues.

    If you cannot obey the law, then you have no business being in a licensed profession....Feel free to choose from the thousands of other careers out that that do not require licensure, and you can flaunt the legal system to your heart's content.

    Nursing licensure is not a right, but is a privilege that must be earned and standards upheld.
  4. by   piper_for_hire
    All professions are governed by law and there are no professions that I know of where you are free to "flaunt the legal system to your heart's content"

    You make a point thought - requiring a credit check for any employment should be illegal. It is certainly unethical behavoir.

    -S
  5. by   jimthorp
    Quote from caroladybelle
    What does pedophilia have to do with job performance???????? What does rape, violent assault or murder have to do with job performance?????


    For matter, given that a large number of nursing positions require credit checks, what does a credit rating have to do with job performance????

    To answer all of the above...absolutely nothing. That's the whole point. I'm glad you feel the same.
  6. by   jimthorp
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Nursing licensure is not a right, but is a privilege that must be earned and standards upheld.

    Yes it is an earned privilege and yes the standards of nursing practice must be upheld but that's where it ends. The nursing profession has absolutely no right to dictate to me how I go about my life off the job, period!

    You cannot point out a single scientific, peer reviewed study that proves people who's personal life are riddled with legal, financial, and or other troubles are poor employees.
  7. by   Ann RN
    Quote from jimthorp
    To answer all of the above...absolutely nothing. That's the whole point. I'm glad you feel the same.
    Would you want a pediophile taking care of your children if that has nothing to do with job performance? Again, I stand by my belief that you are licensed by a governing unit where these are the rules. If you can't play by the rules, then accept the consequences.

    And again, I also stand by the belief that if you show you are irresponsible outside of work by DUI, you are abusing a drug. Yes - alcohol IS a drug. And I sure as heck do not want anyone taking care of me or my family that shows this total lack of responsibility. So do not tell me that what I post as my own personal belief is the silliest thing you ever read on this board. It's my opinion and I am entitled to it.
  8. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from jimthorp

    You cannot point out a single scientific, peer reviewed study that proves people who's personal life are riddled with legal, financial, and or other troubles are poor employees.
    I don't need to, therefore don't waste my time on it.

    I have plenty of real life work experience to prove it, much of which can be attested by others that have dealt employees orcoworkers with said problems.

    When you manage employees, then please feel free to hire all the pedophile, felonous drug addicted, alcoholic staffers that you want, and see how well or poorly your business runs. Feel free to be the pioneer in that and we will see how well it works.

    People can manage business, work as wait staffs, become politicians, work in computer programming, e-commerce, farm, raise animals and livestock,work in the mines, be a chef...there are thousands of careers that you can work in without a license. Of course, many still will not hire anyone that cannot be bonded.... and for some reason it is difficult to bond a criminal (those highly suspicious bond agencies don't buy your theory, for some reason...such as ohhhh experience).

    Bill Gates is very successful and doesn't have to be drug tested.

    But if you enter the profession that has rules, you get the privilege to obey them. If you don't wish to, you are free to go elsewhere.
  9. by   jimthorp
    Quote from Ann RN
    So do not tell me that what I post as my own personal belief is the silliest thing you ever read on this board. It's my opinion and I am entitled to it.
    If you believe that; "They ensure that the public is protected from unsafe care" then yes it is one of the silliest things I have heard. Like you I am entitled to my opinion.

    They no more ensure safe patient care than the passing of stricter gun laws ensures gun crime will go away.
  10. by   jimthorp
    Quote from caroladybelle
    IWhen you manage employees, then please feel free to hire all the pedophile, felonous drug addicted, alcoholic staffers that you want, and see how well or poorly your business runs. Feel free to be the pioneer in that and we will see how well it works.
    You see, I have managed employees. I used to do the hiring and firing in a former career. I have had employees who's personal life was a complete mess, including legal trouble, but were outstanding employees. I have also had employees who had relatively trouble free lives outside work who were poor employees.

    To paint everyone with a broad brush based on your experience is simply unjustifiable and is called stereotyping.
  11. by   caroladybelle
    Asit stands the NIH (National Institutes of Health) has reports on consumption of alcoholic and its negative effects on the functioning of pilots. Even 14 hours after the pilots had reached a BAC of 0.1 (legal limit), there was impairment of their demonstrable skills. It was from a study in American Journal of Psychology, I believe (would post a link, but I am not that computer literate).

    But it is all rather moot. The law is the law. You can waste time arguing over such a trivial issue or move on. One knows the rules to be a professional nurse and if one does not conform, they will reap the well deserved consequences. Their loss.

    And arguing the right to drink oneself into a stupor, attempt to kill someone by driving (which is what DUI/DWI is in essence) and yet still be a respected professional is quite ridiculous and a waste of time. So I am off and out for a few days of a much needed break.
    Last edit by caroladybelle on Feb 5, '07
  12. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from jimthorp
    To paint everyone with a broad brush based on your experience is simply unjustifiable and is called stereotyping.
    Not merely mine but about every nurse manager I have come in contact with. But then they are nurse managers. And I tend to be choosy about where I work, most of the time.
    Last edit by caroladybelle on Feb 5, '07
  13. by   LuvMyGamecocks
    Quote from jimthorp
    Please tell me what drinking and driving has to do with job performance.
    Y'all...this is about a mindset, a personal moral code, personal integrity...and the lack thereof is something that's running rampant in America. Too many people are not holding their OWN selves accountable for their actions.

    You would think that those intelligent enough to make it through nursing school and hold a license would be able to efficiently exercise the good judgment that it would take to avoid a DUI. It's TOO easy to make the plans ahead of time to include safely returning home.

    If one's own integrity, their own moral code allows them the audacity of driving after happy hour (or any other time...1, 2, 10 drinks...it's all the same to me), maybe someone other than that person NEEDS to hold them accountable for their actions.

    So, what's the right answer? One time, it's over, and the license is gone? A second chance, and then it's gone? Though I'm not in the position to make that call, it seems that the right answer depends on how big of a scoop you want to take out of the integrity bowl before you decide.

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