If you are drunk, don't drive! - page 6

If you are a nurse, and you drive while you are drunk; the Board of Nursing can suspend your nursing license for good!!! This is hard to believe...but it is true!!!!... Read More

  1. by   smurfy
    drinking and driving is illegal and amounts to attempted murder (in my mind) so don't do it. if you do, then be prepared to face up to the results of your actions.

    the way I see it is the only people who have a problem with drinking and driving and losing their license as a result are the ones who are probably habitual offenders who deny having a problem w/ drinking and probably will never admit to any mistakes they ever make.

    after all the public education out there, if you choose to drink and drive (which is not a victimless crime - if it were, I would care less if the people who did it all went off cliffs and perished) you are stupid and deserve what ever punishment you recieve.
  2. by   smk1
    Quote from jimthorp
    For the life of me I cannot understand why a DUI should impact my professional license. It has nothing to do with my job performance. Tradesmen don't loose their license for a DUI so why should nurses? IMHO, it's just plain abuse of power.
    Well according to husband who is an electrcian, you can. I have no idea because i haven't looked into it, but he says any state licensed individual can lose their license over a DUI. (I'll have to look this up).
  3. by   KellNY
    Quote from smurfy
    the way I see it is the only people who have a problem with drinking and driving and losing their license as a result are the ones who are probably habitual offenders who deny having a problem w/ drinking and probably will never admit to any mistakes they ever make.
    Wow, that's a pretty broad generalization there. What's that coping mechanism people use to make something not so close to home? (ie "No, those people aren't like me and my friends. It could never happen to one of us")

    I'm not excusing anyone's actions, so please don't twist my words. My friend drove drunk and hit a (parked) car. It damaged our relationship very badly because I couldn't imagine her doing something so stupid--she could have killed herself and left her 2 young children motherless, or should could have killed someone else.

    But she wasn't a repeat offender, wasn't an alcoholic, this wasn't part of her general character. She was going through some serious problems at home, got drunk, and being drunk, didn't have good judgement to not screw up. She was a part of SADD in high school, and is a part of MADD now. She's usually the designated driver when her friends go out drinking.

    She lost her car, my respect, and for a while, our friendship. She has not done anything like that since, nor had she done anything like that prior.

    Do i think she should have lost her license? No. And she didn't. Think whatever you want about her and her sh***y mistake, but it had nothing to do with her skills as a nurse.
  4. by   CrownHunter
    solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician, in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.
    ~~~its the nightingale pledge.....how many of you have taken it upon getting pinned and if you have taken it why is there even this disscussion.... it is written on the packets that they hand out at my school for nursing students and prenursing.I would concider drinking and driving deterionus and mischevious.....just my thought.I concider drinking a great way to relieve stress if it is "your thing"but why not do it at home...Its safe and cheaper.
  5. by   kcalohagirl
    This discussion interested me, so I talked to an acquaintance who is an MSN and works in a substance abuse clinic at the hospital I work at. She also teaches a monthly Drug and Alcohol Education class for people who have been arrested for DUI but have qualified for a diversion program.

    I don't know if all states have them but here, if it is a first time offense, there was no personal injury or property damage, and a list of other qualifications, the offender can apply to a diversion program. During this program, they must undergo an evaluation w/ a social worker, at which time it is determined how stringent the diversion program will be. The program lasts a year, during which the offender checks in with a diversion officer on at the very least a monthly basis, and it can be more often than that. The offenders will be tapped for random urine screens. Treatment programs may be required. At the very least, a class on drinking and driving and a victim's panel is always required.

    According to my acquaintance, she said that of the offenders in the classes she teaches, in her perception, many of them "made a bad choice" and according to her, most will never make that choice again. There are a certain number in her perception that will become repeat offenders. She said that a significant number have a BAC of .08, and that at that level many people don't "feel" impaired.

    A statistic she told me that surprised me was that impairment begins to occur with a BAC of .02.

    One other thing about the diversion program is that if the requirements of the year-long program are not met, the diversion can be revoked, and it becomes an automatic conviction. Also, even if the diversion is completed and the conviction stays off the person's record, should the offender ever is arrested and convicted of another DUI, that first (diverted) DUI suddenly counts.

    Let me tell you, this conversation (especially about impairment starting to occur at .02) really opened my eyes. Because seriously, how many people will drive after having "just one" drink. Even that one drink impairs you, though maybe not legally so.

    And in our state, diversions do not need to be reported to the BON. But convictions do.
  6. by   KellNY
    Quote from sandykjaeger
    solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.
    ~~~its the nightingale pledge.....how many of you have taken it upon getting pinned and if you have taken it why is there even this disscussion....
    Oh please! Live my life in purity? I'm a non-religious, never-been-married single mother who likes to read erotic fiction. I get drunk sometimes. (rarely, but it happens, and no, i don't drive). I have 2 tattoos, with plans to add at least 3 more. I yell at drivers who cut me off. I curse when around people I'm comfortable with--sometimes too much. Purity? Notsomuch.

    And there have been more than a few times where I had no qualms breaking that "loyalty" to the physician because the orders were crap.

    Not to mention, I'm pretty sure the Nightengale Pledge is not legally binding.

    The world is not black and white, and THAT is why we are even having this discussion.
  7. by   CrownHunter
    to kelliny
    The world indeed is not black and white, I am sorry that you felt that I was targeting you in anyway.
    tatoos had little to do with this discussion,
    nor your marital status.
    The Nightingale pledge is not legally binding but it does reflect on one's charater. (a person is only as good as their word).
    and the erotic ficition thing...well...thanks for sharing
  8. by   KellNY
    My marital status most certainly is relevant, because it means I obviously "sinned" and therefore violated that little purity clause. (And some would say that tattoos are an impure violation of the flesh as well). My point was, you can't take something as vague as the Nightengale Pledge and apply it here, but not there, to situation X, but not situation Y.

    Many of us never took the pledge, either way. Present company included.

    And I didn't feel targeted, but thanks.
  9. by   CrownHunter
    well there you go, if you didnt take the pledge, and I dont doubt that many havent then my opinoin should have little affect on you.
    My concern was for the nurses who have.
    I too have a tatoo. its on my back and I like it very much....Do I feel "Unpure" no I dont. I have two sons, and my first was out of wedlock. I dont look down on anyone situation, nor do I feel that because anyone takes an oath that the have to be perfect.
    no one is perfect..... Im far from it. but if there is something that I can do to cognizibly be that better person I would.
    I do believe that if anyone should take the oath that they are or should be held to it.
  10. by   CrownHunter
    more and more I realize that were are taking the topic from drinknig and driving to something else.... and Im sure Chuck1234 would appreciate if we stopped.
    If youd like to futher discuss Medical Ethics please feel free to contact me privatly.
  11. by   KellNY
    Discuss medical ethics? I'm mearly pointing out (quite on topic, I might ad), that an oath taken as a part of nursing tradition has NO bearing on legal issues (ie-having your license revoked for breaking the law by drunk driving).
  12. by   Cattitude
    Quote from kellny
    discuss medical ethics? i'm mearly pointing out (quite on topic, i might ad), that an oath taken as a part of nursing tradition has no bearing on legal issues (ie-having your license revoked for breaking the law by drunk driving).
    and to me you make perfect sense:wink2: . but then again, i am a sinning, swearing stand up to the docs sometimes nurse too!:d
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  13. by   lovingmyabcs
    I can speak of this on a personal level. My ex husband was killed 2 years ago by a drunk driver in broad daylight. His wife was pregnant at the time and there are 3 beautiful children robbed. Drinking and Driving is unacceptable regardless of profession.

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