If you are drunk, don't drive! - page 13

If you are a nurse, and you drive while you are drunk; the Board of Nursing can suspend your nursing license for good!!! This is hard to believe...but it is true!!!!... Read More

  1. by   vamedic4
    Bottom line here Jim is that, by drinking AND driving...something you KNOW you shouldn't do, you are DELIBERATELY and INTENTIONALLY putting other people in harm's way.
    You have a CHOICE...do I drink or NOT, do I drive or NOT. No one's making you do it. You are the one with the moot point. We all know and accept the fact that when we drive we could potentially hurt or kill someone...you're right, intent isn't the issue in one sense. BUT WHEN YOU "INTENT"IONALLY break the law, all the rules change.

    Why?? Because you shouldn't have done it in the first place, and deep down somewhere that none of us talks about at parties...you already knew that.

    Why? Because even at the .08 limit for BAC, you are ELEVEN TIMES more likely to be injured or injure someone else in an accident...and the stats get worse from there. Laws in this case were made to protect people from their own stupidity and the stupidity of others.
    And yes, a DUI is absolutely considered a deliberate act against another human being. Stupidity has it's consequences, and they should be severe.
    Have a good night.
    Last edit by vamedic4 on Feb 7, '07 : Reason: forgot something.
  2. by   Smiley1954
    As
    a nurse could you live with yourself, if you caused an accident drunk?
    By the way the Texas Board of Nursing---is addressing nursing work hours, simular to truckers, proposal only mine you in January 2007 Texas Board of Nursing Bulletin.
  3. by   KellNY
    Quote from Smiley1954
    As
    a nurse could you live with yourself, if you caused an accident drunk?
    As a human, I couldn't. My license has NOTHING to do with it.
  4. by   katilynn
    I don't drink but once or twice a year and i very much oppose drinking and driving and support tougher laws.

    But i once did drive under the influence. (one drink, in my 110 lb frame) and i'm pretty sure it saved me and my 3 friends lives.

    Camping trip....in the boonies....no phones....our camp is raided by three vagabonds with porn, crazy stories and very aggressive behavior (Ex. beating the crap out of our car while freakin' foaming at the mouth.

    I have a way of attracting freaks and perverts. I should write a book...anyway

    we grabbed some stuff and got the **** out of there. I wasn't really in the mood to be murder. I call this the ax murder clause.
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from jimthorp
    The distinction between being deliberate or not is made by the "intent".

    I agree that when one gets into a car drunk, the intent is to get from point A to point B, not to kill someone. This is why when they are procescuted they are not charged with first degree murder. Nonetheless they are charged with a crime. When a drunk gets behind a wheel to drive they are knowingly committing a crime, thus "intent" is present and should be punished. The intent is "despite the fact that it's against the law, I'm going to do it anyway." It's not an innocent act.

    It is debatable wether this is the business of the BON or not, and I'm not convinced it is. But I don't minimize the crime, or the intent to commit one, when I'm deciding whether or not it is the business of the BON's or not.
  6. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Tweety
    I agree that when one gets into a car drunk, the intent is to get from point A to point B, not to kill someone. This is why when they are procescuted they are not charged with first degree murder. Nonetheless they are charged with a crime. When a drunk gets behind a wheel to drive they are knowingly committing a crime, thus "intent" is present and should be punished. The intent is "despite the fact that it's against the law, I'm going to do it anyway." It's not an innocent act.

    It is debatable wether this is the business of the BON or not, and I'm not convinced it is. But I don't minimize the crime, or the intent to commit one, when I'm deciding whether or not it is the business of the BON's or not.
    Me too . . . . .


    steph
  7. by   nightbychoice
    The "debate"...the way I understand it is whether or not a person should be subject to possibly losing their license if they are convicted of drinking or driving.

    I have to laugh at the vagueness of the accusations made by one poster with regard to statements made by other posters that he doesn't agree with. It is my opinion he attacks comments made....just to draw ire.Just my observation.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion.....Isn't America great??:spin:

    I stand by my statement...be responsible for your choices....period.

    Have a great day!!
  8. by   nservice
    This is completely off topic.

    I've been reading this title for a while and everytime I see it I think, "If you drink, don't drive...do the watermellon crawl".

    You know, that country song. Never mind, I need some sleep!!
  9. by   jimthorp
    Quote from vamedic4
    Bottom line here Jim is that, by drinking AND driving...something you KNOW you shouldn't do, you are DELIBERATELY and INTENTIONALLY putting other people in harm's way.
    You have a CHOICE...do I drink or NOT, do I drive or NOT. No one's making you do it. You are the one with the moot point. We all know and accept the fact that when we drive we could potentially hurt or kill someone...you're right, intent isn't the issue in one sense. BUT WHEN YOU "INTENT"IONALLY break the law, all the rules change.

    Why?? Because you shouldn't have done it in the first place, and deep down somewhere that none of us talks about at parties...you already knew that.

    Why? Because even at the .08 limit for BAC, you are ELEVEN TIMES more likely to be injured or injure someone else in an accident...and the stats get worse from there. Laws in this case were made to protect people from their own stupidity and the stupidity of others.
    And yes, a DUI is absolutely considered a deliberate act against another human being. Stupidity has it's consequences, and they should be severe.
    Have a good night.

    Drinking and driving carries no more intent at putting other's in harms way than driving sober. Drinking then driving is deliberate, no question but connecting the two...well let's just say people who drink then drive don't do it with the intent of injuring or killing someone.

    Can you point me to a case where someone charged with a DUI was convicted of a deliberate attempt at harming someone? Like Ann, you have a poor grasp of the legal term "intent".

    A DUI where the drunk kills someone isn't charged with murder. Murder is intent to kill, homicide is not.

    The point of this debate isn't the pitfalls of drinking and driving but is whether or not the BON has anything to say/do about it when it has no bearing on the performance of the job.

    I am not abdicating drinking and driving and for the record the only time I drink and drive is when I have a beer or two with dinner out.
  10. by   Ann RN
    Quote from jimthorp
    Drinking and driving carries no more intent at putting other's in harms way than driving sober. Drinking then driving is deliberate, no question but connecting the two...well let's just say people who drink then drive don't do it with the intent of injuring or killing someone.

    Can you point me to a case where someone charged with a DUI was convicted of a deliberate attempt at harming someone? Like Ann, you have a poor grasp of the legal term "intent".

    A DUI where the drunk kills someone isn't charged with murder. Murder is intent to kill, homicide is not.

    The point of this debate isn't the pitfalls of drinking and driving but is whether or not the BON has anything to say/do about it when it has no bearing on the performance of the job.

    I am not abdicating drinking and driving and for the record the only time I drink and drive is when I have a beer or two with dinner out.
    Let me tell you a story about "a beer or two with dinner out". I'll make it short. My godson served in the military for 4 years, including 1 year in Iraq. Two weeks after he was discharged with honors he had dinner with a friend. He only had 2 beers. When driving home, they were run off the road by a semi truck. The car spun and was T-boned on the passenger side. His friend was killed instantly. This beautiful boy who dreamed of a career in law enforcement for the government is now in prison. His dream career is now gone forever. He is doing very well, his attitude is positive and I am so very proud of him. He accepts full responsibility for what happened, even though the accident itself was not his fault. His reaction times were slowed.

    My grasp is just fine, thank you.

    I believe the BON does have the right. That's my opinion. I'm not asking you to agree with me.
  11. by   jimthorp
    Quote from Ann RN
    Let me tell you a story about "a beer or two with dinner out". I'll make it short. My godson served in the military for 4 years, including 1 year in Iraq. Two weeks after he was discharged with honors he had dinner with a friend. He only had 2 beers. When driving home, they were run off the road by a semi truck. The car spun and was T-boned on the passenger side. His friend was killed instantly. This beautiful boy who dreamed of a career in law enforcement for the government is now in prison. His dream career is now gone forever. He is doing very well, his attitude is positive and I am so very proud of him. He accepts full responsibility for what happened, even though the accident itself was not his fault. His reaction times were slowed.

    My grasp is just fine, thank you.

    I believe the BON does have the right. That's my opinion. I'm not asking you to agree with me.

    I understand your passion about driving when you have had alcohol to drink.

    There are not enough details in your story to convince me alcohol had anythng to do with this tradgedy.
  12. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from jimthorp
    I understand your passion about driving when you have had alcohol to drink.

    There are not enough details in your story to convince me alcohol had anythng to do with this tradgedy.
    My impression of her offering her story was that her godson had nothing much to do with the accident but because he had been drinking, he was penalized.

    Hence the admonition to not even have "a beer or two" and then drive - even if an accident is not your fault, if you are found to have imbibed . . .then you may just end up in jail.

    Of course, he has to live with the death of his friend too.

    steph
  13. by   jimthorp
    I understand that. Two beers with dinner is not enough to put me over the legal limit or near it. Part of the tradgedy is the young boy in jail.

    Does the BON look at sticking their nose into my personal life as a deterent? Does the BON think that someone with a DUI is more likely to put patients at risk for harm? Does the BON think a nurse with a DUI casts a bad light onto the profession? I am a human, son, brother, uncle, husband, father, God fearing Christian, etc, and lastly a nurse.

    I'd like to point out that the BON does not make the laws. This is done by our elected officials.

    I think people who take perscribed narcotic analgesics or any number of OTC's known to cause impairment and go to work are a far more common and a bigger threat to a patient than someone who has had a DUI off the job, yet you don't see near the commotion about this and it's legal. Much of the reason is the attention the media gives the issues.

    It's been mentioned that drinking and driving is amoral and predisposes one to poor decisions on the job. Promiscuous sex and intercourse outside marriage is also considered by some to be amoral yet these same people don't point the "bad decision maker finger" at these individuals and say they can't possibly be a safe nurse. You cannot legislate morality. Morality is the accepted behavior as determined by a culture, not laws.

    I'd be willing to bet that many of those who supoort the BON in this matter have operated a motor vehicle while under the influence of alcohol.

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