I think nurses share some of the blame for the nursing shortage.

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I read recently that only 12% of all nurses are under the age of 30. Being a new graduate BSN and practicing nursing for 18 months, I found that statistic pretty horrifying. I have been visiting this site for about three months now and various nurses are trying to find out solutions to the nursing shortage and who to blame.

First off I think nurses need to share some of that blame. Like I said am a new nurse that graduated with my BSN and also with a Business degree. So I am keen to pick up on why things do not work. First off our normal nursing class size usually max out at thirty-five students. Our class started out with 27 students because the program did not receive enough applications to fill the class. During my last two years we lost 5 students out of the program not because of low grade or they failed out, most were top of our class, mostly because of lack of respect they received from nursing instructors and nursing staff at the local hospitals where we did our clinical.

LPN's and Rn's alike would ridicule most of the students. They would openly complain about us to the patients and to staff members alike. During report we would hear the RN's say "al my gosh we have students today, today would be a good day to call in sick". Don't get me wrong there was some educators that did a good gob and greeted us with open arms, but a majority of the time the staff was very disrespectful from RN's to Nursing Assistant's. Most of the teaching came from physicians if we had the opportunity to rounds with.

After graduation I passed my boards on the first try and took a job on a Medical Surgical floor. The first night was highly anticipated and was looking forward to my new career. I reported to the charge nurse who did not expect me and did not know who to put me with. Eventually they put me with a LVN who was very intolerable to teaching others and I seemed like a burden to her. Eventually I just left and told the charge nurse I was very disappointed by the way things was run here and left in middle of my shift.

Eventually I did land a job that did really well in teaching me the ins and outs of nursing. I would actually check on my fellow graduates after a year of last seeing them. One of my fellow students informed me that four other nurses got out of nursing they did not feel safe with the patient load given to them and very little mentoring from senior nurses.

I am 26 years of age, kind of old for a new graduate. I worked in other professions such and engineering as a drafter and sales. Never have I worked in a profession that fellow professionals were so rude and uncaring to each other. I have several friends who are physicians that talked me to going back to school and finish my classes to apply to Medical School, they openly joke about how nurses are very disrespectfully to each other and how senior nurses eat their young.

If the nursing profession were such a great career as most of you described, there would not be a shortage. I agree that that the aging baby boomer poses a challenge and is one of the reasons but I think we need to look in the mirror and accept some of the blame.

So in closing if you get a new graduated in the floor, accept them with open arms instead of treating them like a burden.

Hey, I want to clear my name. I did not abandone any patients my first night. I did no get report or even touch a patient my first night. My preceptor did not even show up for her shift for some unknow reason. I sat at the nurses station for two hours waiting for the charge nurse to pair me up with someone. When she did, I was never intorduced to the LVN, she went on to give me the charts of the patients and I sat there for another two hours wiating to start. When I asked if I could help with anyting I was told she to busy right now to show me anything. I told the charge nuse you are paying me to do notihing and would be better off starting another. Please do not say I was leaving pts unattended when I was never given any.

I have nothing against nursing. I gave it a shot and was not for me. I went into the professoin with an open mind and open heart. For a profession that is know caring, boy did I see little of that.

I finally found a great Medical Surgical unit and was there for year. I would have 10 to 12 patients at one time and still found time to welcome nursing students, and new nurses to the floor . Becuase I still remember my first day and how fustrating it was.

From reading some of the post a lot of fellow RN's agree with me and it seem to be a growing majority. Belive me I can tollerate a lot, I used the military to pay for my college degree and worked as a CNA for one year. Our attitudes pave the road for future nuses and would benifit the profession we would act professional instead of adolecents.

By the was TEXASSUGAR, where in San Antonio do you work. I currently practice in Texas. I will be applying to University of Texas in San Antionio?

Specializes in ER.

The intital posting makes me think you yourself should consider a new career. Nurses are overworked and underpaid and get very litle respect but you have to want to help others and not be looking for glory! Help mankind and the world can become a better place it has to start somewhere. Why not with you!

thegame: Again, I am sorry you were treated badly. I do not agree it is the majority at all.

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Specializes in Corrections, Psych, Med-Surg.

nightngale, you said it in posts 11 and 17 about standing up for ourselves.

What is most amazing is that nursing students seem to have the notion that they are powerless--forgetting WHO is paying these instructors to teach THEM what they need to be a licensed/registered nurse AND paying the schools to provide suitable clinical placements. If this is not being done for whatever reason, raise hell and demand the quality for which you are paying! Why accept ridicule or belittling from instructors or from anyone else? Why just passively leave a program in which one has invested time and money instead of kicking some butt?

School is a good time for learning, including learning how to stand up for oneself. Not doing so simply perpetuates the "righteous victim" and "superior victimizer" cycle.

fergus51

I have heard of that. There was an article in Nurseweek speaking on abuses from physicians. I don't that is the main reason it falls under the abuse but there are many more reasons one gets tired of their profession. I have been a RN for 2 years and understand why nurses want to go. I on the other hand know there is too much to do in this field to let it go. I am trying to make the most of it even when I don't want too.

thegame...I work for Pacificare Health Systems as an auditor. The offices are actually located just down the road from UTSA. If you are going to medical school, you will be going to the UT Health Science center which is located in heart of the medical center of San Antonio and about 15 minutes from me. I am near the Fiesta Texas grounds. UTHS is a really good school and the hospital you will intern at (University) is a huge teaching hospital. Everyone in town knows if you want to learn, whether you are a nurse or a lab tech or a doc, you go to University because you see everything there. Good choice.

I apologize for insinuating that you abandoned patients. I misunderstood your post. there was no abandonment in your situation because you were never put on the floor or assigned any patients. sorry about that.

With the agency I work for I do prn shifts in the Baptist Health System hospitals including St. Luke's Hospital. It's amazing how the hospitals can all be in the same system and yet so completely different. I recently had surgery at St. Luke's and the staff, especially my pre-op RN were so great I have praised them over and over to anyone who will listen! :)

Keep me posted on how you do. I had a friend who came over here from Poland as a nun. She left the nunnery and got her CNA then her LVN then her RN and she is currently attending medical school and will move to Florida to share a practice with her brother. It took her a while but she was very encouraging and I think she did great.

Best of luck!!

I agree with you. when we have our clinicals most of the nurses are nasty *****es to us and make fun of us, etc. Like they were never students and they came out of school knowing everything. The doctors are nicer. One nurse actually got fired for her treatment of the students. And our school was actually dropped by one of the facilities where we did our pysch rotation because the head nurse decided to curse out one of my classmates(in public) and then she and my instructor got into it, etc. I know not all nurses are ogres but i am now a senior and I have found that the majority of them are not very receptive to students. Then they ***** if the student graduates and doesn't know anything. People just suck sometimes, i guess.

Specializes in Hospice.

I agree with "some" of the thread starting comments. Only about 10%. Ever heard, if you can't stand the heat?.......... One of the reasons staff doesn't like to have nursing students is this....very few are really interested in learning. They are only there because it is a requirement for the class. And it is a burden when you have someone on the floor that isn't willing the pitch in and help, with whatever the task may be. Not "oh, I really didn't want to feed that patient, I can give meds now". When I was a student, I got some of both reception from staff. I found that when I pitched in to help the CNA's or do whatever needed to be done, I was welcomed w/ open arms.

As far as RN's in training, yes, as an LPN, I have been guilty of saying, OH NO, I don't want to train that new RN. :imbar so, sue me, i'm human. But, alot of the time, instead of the new nurse accepting what they can learn from this "old" LPN, they have "RN-itis". A good LPN or CNA can teach a new RN plenty, if they will just learn.

I am back in school now, to reach that goal of RN. Hopefully I can steer clear of the RN-itis myself .

In fact, several of my charge nurses at work now, where once being trained by me. And if I may say so, are damn fine charge nurses today.........especially "CHARGERN" you see on here occasionally!:D

Specializes in Hospice.
Originally posted by JailRN

Thegame

Am I the only one to see something VERY wrong here?? You stated that you "Told the charge nurse that you didn't like the way things were run here and left in the middle of your shift??" Can we say, patient abandonment?? Do you value your license? If I had been the charge nurse, not only would have I been glad to see you go, but also have seen to it that you were reported to the BRN.

:stone I did forget to comment on this..........I am very much appalled that you would leave in the middle of a shift, regardless of what was going on. I'm certain there was someone you could have gone to. I aggree w/ JailRN, that is a very BIG NONO! Didn't they teach you that? And how did you possibly get another job? Forget to say you had abandoned the first one?

I did forget to comment on this..........I am very much appalled that you would leave in the middle of a shift, regardless of what was going on. I'm certain there was someone you could have gone to. I aggree w/ JailRN, that is a very BIG NONO! Didn't they teach you that? And how did you possibly get another job? Forget to say you had abandoned the first one?

Nurse Diane, please refer to the last post by TheGame. IMO it was not patient abandonment. Yes, the supervisor could have been called, the orientee could have sought another preceptor during that shift, but it would not surprise me one bit if many employees would choose to leave when they were just sitting around waiting for someone to be willing to orient them.

... One of the reasons staff doesn't like to have nursing students is this....very few are really interested in learning. They are only there because it is a requirement for the class. And it is a burden when you have someone on the floor that isn't willing the pitch in and help, with whatever the task may be. Not "oh, I really didn't want to feed that patient, I can give meds now".

I agree with this totally NurseDiane - I've had the same experience with some nursing students. Some are more interested in what they did over the weekend than taking care of patients!

Specializes in Trauma acute surgery, surgical ICU, PACU.

.... and lets look at some of the factors that make experienced nurses get grouchy or fed up with students, make them not want to mentor students. (I refused a student preceptor assignment this past summer because I was so burnt out I was barely holding myself afloat...) I'm too tired from work to find links to the many, many threads on this issue right now, but they are there if you look.

Lashing back at the senior nurses makes you part of the problem, makes you just as bad in a way. If all of the nurses in a clinical placement are rude or belittling to you, if they are hostile and unreceptive to students as a whole, then the nursing unit probably has bigger problems that the students just get stuck in the middle of. Take this up with your school, and get them to not place students there. Grouching about the nasty B........es on a bb on the net won't help them, and it won't help you deal with this problem constructively. Vent, sure. But that is different from blaming, which is what this thread started as....

There are many, many factors that contribute to the "health" of a nursing unit and workplace environment. Placing students in an unhealthy environment does not make sense... both for the students and for the nurses that work there. When you are burnt out, overworked and dealing with big work-related stress already, having to mentor students IS a BURDEN...... when the unit is healthy, decently staffed, etc.... it is easier to treat the students as just beginners and to have the time to be a sympathetic teacher..... Bottom line: This is far from being a one sided issue. Please stop flinging mud before you become as bitter as the people you claim to resent.

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