i give up...................

  1. as most of you know im trying to get sponsorship for my health visitors course. I have a place at uni for sept 2004. Im unable to get sponsorship as i have not been qualified for 2 yrs (will be 18 mths in sept). Ok i thought thats fair enough. I explained this to uni and they suggested that if i really want to do the course and i could afford it why dont i self fund.After long discussion with hubby i decided yes why not its only a year. I must find my own community practice teacher. I got in touch with the various people and find it hard to get one. No one has to pay anything just train me. I dont understand why its so difficult to do. I am now considering giving up in trying. Im trying to better myself but seem to hit a brick wall. Sorry for moaning but i so much want to do this course in sept and dont want to give up my place. , but it looks as tho i have to.
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  3. by   bargainhound
    What exactly does the person have to do? What kind of a mentor do you need?
  4. by   bargainhound
    Community practice teacher......what kind of job must this teacher have?....or can it be an RN not currently working?....
  5. by   Agnus
    Don't mean to be Mean but have you heard yourself? "no one has to pay anything just to train me?"

    You make it sound like this person should be honnored and grateful.

    Look you need them not the other way around. It is you not they who should be greatful that there is no payment involved.


    Training someone is a LOT of work. They do not NEED to train you. YOU need training.

    You are asking for something; have you ever considered offering something of real value to the other person in return. Please, don't assume what that person will consider valuable. It may not be what you think. Find out what you can do for the person whom you are asking this FAVOR. Yes, you are asking a favor, i.e. something for nothing. you have given them nothing so far.
  6. by   uk_nurse
    Quote from Agnus
    Don't mean to be Mean but have you heard yourself? "no one has to pay anything just to train me?"

    You make it sound like this person should be honnored and grateful.

    Look you need them not the other way around. It is you not they who should be greatful that there is no payment involved.


    Training someone is a LOT of work. They do not NEED to train you. YOU need training.

    You are asking for something; have you ever considered offering something of real value to the other person in return. Please, don't assume what that person will consider valuable. It may not be what you think. Find out what you can do for the person whom you are asking this FAVOR. Yes, you are asking a favor, i.e. something for nothing. you have given them nothing so far.

    Angus you misunderstand. I will have to pay for the course if i self fund. I am not asking for a favour! so i'm not asking for something for nothing and believe me the course is not cheap! Community Practice Teachers are paid to train people like me, just as uni lecturers are paid to train student nurses and student nurses get a bursary!!! i will get NO MONEY at all. As i see it i have given them something, MONEY to train me so please dont say i have given them nothing.

    Community trusts sponsor nurses to do the course i.e they pay for the course and give them a wage each month at an 'E' grade. In my eyes i have saved the trust money by funding the course MYSELF! and NOT getting a wage. So please DONT say im trying to get something for nothing!

    "no one has to pay anything just to train me?"(Quote by Angus)If you read post properly i did not say 'just to train me' I said no one has to pay anything to train me' Meaning the trusts.
    Last edit by uk_nurse on May 5, '04
  7. by   uk_nurse
    Quote from bargainhound
    Community practice teacher......what kind of job must this teacher have?....or can it be an RN not currently working?....

    A community practice teacher is a qualified health Visitor who as her role trains students to become a health visitor. She/he must be working as a health visitor. They do a course which enables them to train student health visitors.It is a big part in her role.
  8. by   purplemania
    can your school offer any suggestions?
  9. by   karenG
    em I am a CPT............ it is a huge amount of work, and yes we get paid an H grade for doing it, but dont underestimate the work involved. Also remember there are very few CPT's around- I am only one of 2 practice nurse/nurse practitioner CPTs in my PCT. so I am never without at least one student. asking me to take on another would be too much!!

    have you spoken to the uni involved.. they usually allocate students to CPT's (at least here they do) could you not have an experianced practitioner mentor you with a CPT in the background?? its what we do when there are more students than cpts?! just a suggestion.

    Karen
  10. by   bargainhound
    I thought you were asking for someone in US to train you.
  11. by   uk_nurse
    Karen
    I know its a huge amount of extra work for you and believe you me i dont under estimate that. I too am a mentor for student nurses when they come to my ward and i started having students when i had been qualified for only a couple of months and i dont get paid extra. I am so grateful for CPT who take on that role.

    Yes uni do find you a placement within that particular trust only if you are sponsored, but if i self fund that is left down to me.I will mention what you said about having one in the 'background'. Thanks for your advice. I really appreciate it. I do know your work load is heavy and as someone who wants to become a health visitor i 'take my hat off to you' for helping train a student in whatever field.
  12. by   karenG
    hi

    actually dont really understand how you are able to do the HV training without a placement given that you need to carry a case load towards the end of the training. I lecture on the Practice nurse degree pathway.. and I know the work involved! I would suggest that there are good reasons for asking for a min. of 2yrs experiance before doing the course and you might save yourself a lot of heartache if you just wait another year.

    good luck

    Karen
  13. by   uk_nurse
    U cant do the HV training without a placement, if i cant find one will have to let place at uni go. I have looked at the HVA website and it says there are hidden costs when you come to end of placement if you self fund so decided to wait till next year and hope i get sponsorship. There are only 3 sponsorship places available in the 2 trusts i applied for and people already working in trust tend to have 1st option but i will try. Thanks again
  14. by   P_RN
    Education is very different in the UK from what we have in the USA. We pay for everything...either self pay or through loans and scholarships. BUT the schools find the health care sites for the students, and upon graduation and passing the NCLEX we are able to go in any direction to work. I can't imagine having to find my own preceptor/mentor/visitor.

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